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Old 11-28-2007, 08:25 AM
Crispy Bacon Crispy Bacon is offline
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Default TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

Villain is 52/13/0.8 over 100 hands.

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.75BB

I'm giving him a 3 bet range of 88+, AQo+, maybe AJs. I'm very unsure about the correct line here, a check raise on the flop and bet on the turn probably folds out 88-TT which we don't want, but also folds AK which we do want. I also get called down by AQ, KK, AA.
I did the c/c and donk bet turn because it's confusing to villain and he'll probably call with 88-TT. ( I fold to a turn raise). Any comments on a line preference?
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:44 AM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

I fold preflop in the HJ in 3/6.

This type of player can 3-bet weird hands sometimes, but 88+,AQo,AJs+ is OK. And he is probably not folding any part of his range because he's passive fishy type.

I think I c/c c/c and donk the river (we beat about ~50% of his range), but against this opp I think we need to fold to a raise. These players are pretty spazzy in big pots, so donk/folding the turn is something that I don't like much. And I believe he'll fire the turn a lot with that range.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

I fold this pf but anyway.

I do c/r the flop and lead the turn. He may fold small pp's but I kind of doubt it. Fishies are going to go to far with them with all sorts of reasoning.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

why donk? just let him bet
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

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why donk? just let him bet

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Because he's a passive station and won't always bet AK or underpairs for us.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

I fold pre-flop and I don't get the turn donk. I'd prefer a donk bet on the flop to get him to call down if you think he will likely get suspicious or wait for the river to make it look like you have a busted draws. I suspect that a guy like this probably can't fold much anyway so I'd just check raise the flop here for value and because it's not how most people play flopped trips.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

we don't have trips [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

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I fold this pf but anyway.

I do c/r the flop and lead the turn. He may fold small pp's but I kind of doubt it. Fishies are going to go to far with them with all sorts of reasoning.

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Old 11-28-2007, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

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why donk? just let him bet

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Because he's a passive station and won't always bet AK or underpairs for us.

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Ive actually fold this to be not true. A lot of the time when a passive station will pick up a hand he wants to 3 bet with and just fire every street regardless of the board because he doesnt know any better.

I like c/r here because stations dont usually fold pairs.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: TPMK on paired board vs preflop 3 bet

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we don't have trips [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I know that. But on a paired boards people fear trips so I like to play like I don't have them when I have a hand that I want calls from. My point was that this guy looks like a calling station and it really doesn't matter what you do so just raise the flop and watch him call down with A high.
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