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Old 11-26-2007, 11:20 PM
slamhound slamhound is offline
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Default Three barrels?

Villain was on my left on two tables, and the BB on my button was also the same. BB had a folded to steal of 75% so I was raising a ton from the button. Villain had a really low WTSD (under 30), but was pretty aggro PF. Not really sure with the board texture here, but I think it's correct? Anyone give up on the river?

5/10 Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$257.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$335.60</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$257.50</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$411.25</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$1970.00</font>)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 5 players) Hero is BTN Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.0 SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5 BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.5 BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: Three barrels?

If villain makes it to the river...that river card isnt going to scare him away. I think you waste a bet on this river.
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: Three barrels?

this is absolutely awful, 3 barrels can be fired when scare cards come, not when blanks come if they call the flop and turn. Why would he ever fold when a 5d hits getting 8.5BB
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: Three barrels?

You guys don't think a player w/a WTSD of under 30 in a superaggro 5-max game will make a bad fold w/T/J+gutter or an underpair enough of the time? I thought it was close, maybe not.

No issues with the flop raise, right?
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: Three barrels?

If he makes it that far he will be getting 8.5-1...he will make this call with any ace or and most jacks or 10s...its not that close
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:03 AM
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sample size on stats?
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:17 AM
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sample size on stats?

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About 250 hands. Villain's VPIP/PFR numbers were in the usual lagtag range along with aggression, but the WTSD was ridiculously low.
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:28 AM
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sample size on stats?

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About 250 hands. Villain's VPIP/PFR numbers were in the usual lagtag range along with aggression, but the WTSD was ridiculously low.

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you can't base a read on WTSD numbers with only 250 hands. It's so much more likely that this guy was a reasonable WTSD (35-40) and has been running terribly over the sample you have on him rather than truly being a folder.
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:34 AM
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sample size on stats?

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About 250 hands. Villain's VPIP/PFR numbers were in the usual lagtag range along with aggression, but the WTSD was ridiculously low.

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you can't base a read on WTSD numbers with only 250 hands. It's so much more likely that this guy was a reasonable WTSD (35-40) and has been running terribly over the sample you have on him rather than truly being a folder.

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If that was true, wouldn't the WTSD number be about the same, and the W$SD be low? Point taken tho, I should probably look into what the PT stats mean individually.
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:49 AM
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sample size on stats?

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About 250 hands. Villain's VPIP/PFR numbers were in the usual lagtag range along with aggression, but the WTSD was ridiculously low.

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you can't base a read on WTSD numbers with only 250 hands. It's so much more likely that this guy was a reasonable WTSD (35-40) and has been running terribly over the sample you have on him rather than truly being a folder.

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If that was true, wouldn't the WTSD number be about the same, and the W$SD be low? Point taken tho, I should probably look into what the PT stats mean individually.

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What happens when a lot of the broadway hands you play never hit a pair?
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