30/60 Limit Game in Toronto with experienced 50/100+ players 4handed

[jomatty]

you guys really like to beat a dead horse. the poster said he realized that this was not a great spot and he wanted to play it anyways. his prerogative. you guys disagree and he agrees as well...

as to the hand, there is no way to get away or lose less. the flop check is bad though, def bet/3bet and wherever the flop action ends you need to then lead the turn. if you get raised at that point then it is time to call down. unless the bb comes alive at some point there is no fold to be found.

[Mr.Busto]

3bet turn check call river if you think B raises wide range
7 is there on river i think check call is best
he isnt betting anything except a 7 or maybe 1010 or sumtin

[DcifrThs]

most has been covered but given what you stated:

- bet flop. if raised 3bet. flops like this are great because aggressive players will put in action w/ many pairs and flush draws. you are only scared of a 7 and the ranges you are likely against are wide enough that you want to get a lot of money in on the flop. if a K/Q/J hits on the turn, you'll likely lose some action you would have gotten on the flop from 88-TT. similarly, if a spade hits you may lose some action and is dangerous for you as you don't ahve a spade. further, AQ/AK in the button's hand may raise the flop since a) he may (possibly correctly) think he is ahead, b) may raise since you seem to suggest that you take his game seriously and might not 3bet a hand like 88/99 in that spot, and c) he may raise for a free card and his "6 outs" (esp. if he has a spade). that may not be likely though overall since he probably caps AK pf, but might not AQ. also, BB called 2 cold there so i'd put a pair in his range and you will very likely get him to raise out the button if you bet thus allowing you to 3bet him (though obv you want button in)

- bet turn. if raised, call down. no explanation needed here.

- bet river, if raised, call down. again no explanation needed.

Barron

[Neko]

how often does that 30/60 run? What about 50/100?

[Heisenb3rg]

50/100 normally runs once a week at brantford casino.. Not sure about blue heron.

It's a pretty big event tho, the games are often action packed and run to the whee hours of the monring..

[Abbaddabba]

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raising q7o in on the button in a raked game is a leak. exploit him...

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if a level, lawl.
if not a level, double lawl.


c/ring the flop is hilarious and awful. playing the hand straigt forward is far more deceptive.

where was this 30/60? i would be interested in playing live, if it's closer to home. the rama 20/40 is way too long a trip for what it is.

[Seb85]

Rama 20/40 is dead...and I know I [censored] up the hand...thus why I posted it on here

Also I'm at commerce for the week if anyones here and wants to say hello

[vmacosta]

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raising q7o in on the button in a raked game is a leak. exploit him...

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if a level, lawl.
if not a level, double lawl.


c/ring the flop is hilarious and awful. playing the hand straigt forward is far more deceptive.

where was this 30/60? i would be interested in playing live, if it's closer to home. the rama 20/40 is way too long a trip for what it is.

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care to give any data supporting your lawling? I have a puny 203 hand sample that suggests that Q7o otb is breakeven.

[dday2121]

I agree that the CR on the flop completely exposes your strength here, but I'm not sure that leading out in this situation is a slam dunk either (although probably the right play). the CR does lessen drawing value for the passive player (unlikely he calls with overs or has a piece of the flop), whereas a lead out potentially caps the betting on the flop and leaves our hero in a bigger predicament out of turn on the turn. My thinking is this: if you're the villain here and it goes bet, call in front of you, you may as well jam the pot on the flop - but if hero comes out and announces he has a big pair or big draw with a CR (and villain has the luxury of position and can reasonably put BB on draw and hero on pair), you hero is firing on the turn, and you can trap 2 players for an extra BB here (so you benefit by slowing it down with almost certainly the nuts). My question is, how do you maximize this hand if you're the villain and do you think he played it perfectly?

Also, In the hero's defense, he was coolered here and the BB seems like the fish at the table in a short game (calling 4 small bets cold before the turn with hand that derives most of its value as a drawing hand given the action in front of him). Given your descriptions, EV should be slightly positive until BB's chips run out...after that, stand up.

[stinkypete]

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raising q7o in on the button in a raked game is a leak. exploit him...

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if a level, lawl.
if not a level, double lawl.


c/ring the flop is hilarious and awful. playing the hand straigt forward is far more deceptive.

where was this 30/60? i would be interested in playing live, if it's closer to home. the rama 20/40 is way too long a trip for what it is.

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care to give any data supporting your lawling? I have a puny 203 hand sample that suggests that Q7o otb is breakeven.

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if a play is a leak because of the rake, it's not exploitable.