1/2 - KK, ace on board.

[Landonfan]

Just sat down a few hands ago. No numbers, no reads.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero 3-bets</font>, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: 9.75BB

[JamesBJames]

Looks pretty good to me. I'd play it the same way.

[Aaron W.]

What is the thought behind the flop raise?

[Landonfan]

It was bold and aggressive [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

I have a donk-raising reflex. I know raising is spewy, but folding and calling both seem really weak. Do I just need to fold this flop against an unknown?

[Zeldark]

Except that he isn't donking. Is this term getting used a little more loosely nowadays?

[Landonfan]

You know what I mean.

[Montrealcorp]

i think its well played....
raising flop=if is got weak ace he might slow down on turn(giving u free card)or even fold weak A if his weak tight?,and since u improved on turn u called instead of folding...fold river seems good since he 3 bet flop i think...

[CrMenace]

SUPER GRUNCH

PF: Standard -- KK is 2nd best hand...

Flop: 10.5:1 is a big pot, but villain showed aggression preflop, and is now betting into a pf 3-bettor and another player. If he's bluffing he's picked a really bad spot. You have two somewhat dirty K outs and a BDFD -- worth a total of about 3 outs total if you are behind, not enough to call. I think you are WB much more often than WA, so taking a WA/WB line here is incorrect IMO. Fold.

FWIW, I think calling is the next best action after folding, since my backup plan is to go into WA/WB mode. I think 3-betting is spew.

As played, however, once you've raised and are 3b, you have enough odds to call.

Turn: Hit the flush draw, clearly calling is correct.

River: Odds are 10.75:1 but villain has shown nothing but aggression here. I don't think you are good even 10% of the time. Fold.

If you had been playing WA/WB, I'd probably call this river.

Edit: Per Aaron, K's are not "somewhat dirty" -- misread the HH

[CrMenace]

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Except that he isn't donking. Is this term getting used a little more loosely nowadays?

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Hero was the last aggressor pf. Villain led flop. This = donk.

[Guitierez]

Why do you fold the river? Were you hoping to hit your two-outer?

I think you can fold after getting popped on the flop. Only reason to call down is to suspect you're bluffed. But then you won't fold the river.