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Old 04-17-2007, 11:03 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

His action on the turn really made it feel like a hand with a big spade, but with the check I figured there are still a number of hands I can get value out of on the river. Is this too thin?

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $51.75
UTG+1: $48.75
Hero: $39
Button: $39
SB: $30
BB: $16.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.75BB
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Jh Jc</font>
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:06 PM
MacGuyV MacGuyV is offline
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

Not too thin, people @5/10 can't even fold As3 here.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

When I made the bet I felt confident because a hand that had me beat would have to bet the turn usually, but of course the results were a different story.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

the river bets pretty easy i think after this action, the only question is whether u would make more money letting him bluff again ( i dont think so). ck folding isnt an option.

The most interesting part of this hand is the flop and then the plan for the hand thereafter if he bets a blank turn ect
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:43 PM
Quebecker Quebecker is offline
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

Trying to induce a bluff on the river ? I think it's a good board to do it.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:45 PM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

I dont think I can find a fold on the flop, my plan was to c/c turn assuming a blank and probably fold the river.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

I think given the action its a bad spot to try to induce a bluff but this is just my opinion/perception of which line gives us more value, inducing a bluff or betting to get called by worse hands. I dont see villains ck behind the turn and bluff the river when u ck again nearly as often as I see them pay off anything after they ck behind the turn (he could have a worse pair +fd type hand planning to call any river)just becuz after they ck behind the turn they expect u to call with anything on the river with showdown value.

I think any made hand bets the turn like 95% of the time here so Im pretty sure we have the winner its just a matter of which line extracts more for worse hands?
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

Well I mean I would have to give respect to a preflop cap, a flop raise, a turn bet, and a river bet. But once the turn is checked, just like you said I was not going to attempt to induce a river bluff.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:29 AM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

I gotta think Ace high will call here nearly 75% of the time but would only bet a quarter of the time.
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: Pocket jacks on wrong monotone board.

I think I just run into some weak/tight players sometimes. He ended up having QQ no spade.
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