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#1
02-27-2007, 02:52 PM
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3 way FD
In the bb with 2 suited. SB and BTN are in the hand.
Flop comes 2 of my suit, one over card and a paired board. SB bets. I call since a raise, if I knock out BTN would no longer be for value. BTN 2-bets, SB insta-3 bets, I call for same reasons above. BTN makes it 4. Turn does not improve my hand and the SB bets. If I know the BTN will only call, this is a clear call. However, this is not always the case in this situation. Many times these two guys will get into a pissing match on the turn. The action from the SB screams "I have a minimum of trips, perhaps a boat." The action from the BTN could mean the same thing, PLUS a FD. Players are aggressive, but not stupid. What are your considerations? If we knew this was getting capped on the turn, is a fold correct? 
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#2
02-27-2007, 03:03 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
this post would be a lot easier to read/respond to if there were actual cards, rather than abstract descriptions.
i'm not folding the turn for 1 bet, especially since people can go nuts on the flop and then get a little more serious on the big bet street. if the turn comes back to you for 2 cold, you might be able to fold, but it's hard to say because WHAT CARDS ARE ON THE BOARD AND HOW BIG IS THE POT?
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#3
02-27-2007, 03:05 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
also, your avatar makes me think of "get a room you two! ehehehehehehe [waving middle fingers around, mocking Jennifer Anniston's 'flair'].
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#4
02-27-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
I don't have the actual hand. It was from Stars and I haven't been ambitious enough to translate my HH's yet. Is there a way to have them saved automatically like with Party and FT?
Anyway... It was an unraised pot preflop, as I remember my cards were crap and I got to see the flop. So it was 3 sb preflop, 4 when the action got to me the first time on the flop, 9 the second time, 13 the third time and 17 the fourth time. All no brainer calls. On the turn its 10 BB to me. If it gets capped, I am getting 17:4 or 4.25:1 pot odds. It is about even to make my FD. But, sometimes we make our flush and lose. This is my dilemma. I have lost a lot of money with FD on the turn when the action is bet, raise, 3 bet, cap and I am along for the ride stuck in the middle. Do you find that these are quite often cases of reverse implied odds?
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#5
02-27-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
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This is my dilemma. I have lost a lot of money with FD on the turn when the action is bet, raise, 3 bet, cap and I am along for the ride stuck in the middle. Do you find that these are quite often cases of reverse implied odds? [/ QUOTE ] Win one of those and you can miss your next dozen draws.
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#6
02-27-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
i'm not folding the turn for 1 bet (getting 10:1!), especially since people can go nuts on the flop and then get a little more serious on the big bet street.
you're thinking a little too far ahead. this is sort of an RIO situation, but the fact that the pot is so big makes that less important as you aren't worried about extracting *more* value; the value you get from the pot is enough for your draw.
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#7
02-27-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
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Many times these two guys will get into a pissing match on the turn. The action from the SB screams "I have a minimum of trips, perhaps a boat." The action from the BTN could mean the same thing, PLUS a FD. [/ QUOTE ] If they're in a pissing match often, they probably have nothing that your flush can't beat.
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#8
02-27-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] This is my dilemma. I have lost a lot of money with FD on the turn when the action is bet, raise, 3 bet, cap and I am along for the ride stuck in the middle. Do you find that these are quite often cases of reverse implied odds? [/ QUOTE ] Win one of those and you can miss your next dozen draws. [/ QUOTE ] The problem with hitting the draw, is you are putting in, given the action with 3 people, enough money in on the turn to break even. You really hate to hit your draw on the river, while drawing dead and 2 people are throwing money in the pot as fast as they can. Sure, when you win you win a big pot, but it doesn't make up for the times that you are drawing dead. If there were more people in the pot, then I can see it being profitable, but with exactly 3 people, aren't we in a hurt locker if the action doesn't slow down on the river when we hit?
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#9
02-27-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
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i'm not folding the turn for 1 bet (getting 10:1!), especially since people can go nuts on the flop and then get a little more serious on the big bet street. [/ QUOTE ] If it gets raised and reraised with us sandwiched, do we bail then? We are getting 15:2 and we aren't completing the action.
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#10
02-27-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: 3 way FD
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] i'm not folding the turn for 1 bet (getting 10:1!), especially since people can go nuts on the flop and then get a little more serious on the big bet street. [/ QUOTE ] If it gets raised and reraised with us sandwiched, do we bail then? We are getting 15:2 and we aren't completing the action. [/ QUOTE ] Do you know what the odds are of hitting your flush from the turn to the river?
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