Am I out of line here?

Bobbo539 · #1 12-08-2006, 06:03 AM

I play at Hollywood Park Casino In LA at the NL100 a descent amount. One thing I pride myself on is always being mild mannered and not whining or anything like that, and I always tip the dealers well.
Tonight I was observing a hand between the guy to my left who I was chatting with occasionally all night and another youngish guy accross the table with sunglasses who seemed to think he was the best player in LA. Anyways, on the river the guy to my left check called a 50$ bet (for a pot of about 200$) on a board on 9 7 6 2 2. The other player tabled 9 7 for top 2, and the player to my left showed me 10 10 shaking his head and was in the process of mucking when I held my hand out and told him he had the best hand, which was clearly audible from accross the table. The player to my left looked at the board again and said something about how he didn't see the board pairing, and tabled and won the pot. The other guy, ovbiously, was heated, and started telling me off, and then made the dealer to call the floor because he thought the pot should be his. The floor and dealer both told me I shouldn't have gotton involved, but say that since the player to my left never mucked and showed he deserved the pot. For the next two hours the other youngish guy reminded me of that hand and told me off about 50 times, including telling me that he would "f***ing kick my a** outside", until I finally left for the night.

I think I did the wrong thing, but I acted in the spur of the moment without getting a chance to think it over.

What should the correct ruling have been and was I wrong here?

booger · #2 12-08-2006, 06:36 AM

next time just kick his chair real hard and act like you're coughing while saying "don't muck". Seriously, don't say anything unless the player tables his cards....

Colima420 · #3 12-08-2006, 06:57 AM

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What should the correct ruling have been and was I wrong here?

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The correct ruling should have been exactly what they did. The guy never mucked his hand and once he tabled it, it was the best hand so he won.

Yes, you were out of line.

But don't feel too bad. I think this type of spur of the moment mistakes have happened to all of us at least once.

We all make an honest mistake and most likely this won't happen again to you.

Just keep being a gentlemen at the table. You sound like a good guy.

Colima420

[Phill] · #4 12-08-2006, 07:26 AM

Id have said "show one show all, you gotta show it down now dude".

youtalkfunny · #5 12-08-2006, 08:02 AM

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Id have observed the rule that says, "One player to a hand", and kept my mouth shut--even if the player on my left was my wife.

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Man of Means · #6 12-08-2006, 10:13 AM

If you wanted to help the 10's-Up guy for some reason there are probably more subtle ways to do it. Generally speaking, though, if a player chooses to muck a winner that's his problem. Part of the skill of the game is a basic one: being able to read the board.

MicroBob · #7 12-08-2006, 10:45 AM

Was this guy really deserving of the pot here?
Seems like he was playing his hand based on the advice of the guy next to him.

Would it be completely impossible to award the pot to the opponent here since this guy was getting advice mid-hand (even if that advice were at showdown)?

To the OP, there's no freaking way you should have interfered here. I have never said anything of the variety that the other guy did at the table. But if you had done this to me I might have been tempted to.

PokerBob · #8 12-08-2006, 10:48 AM

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Id have said "show one show all, you gotta show it down now dude".

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awesome.

LasVegasMichael · #9 12-08-2006, 11:08 AM

Floor ruling was correct. Your action was not.

bav · #10 12-08-2006, 12:20 PM

Yes, Bobbo, you were way out of line. Don't do dat. Every player has to table his hand to make a claim for the pot and you can't help someone read their hand to decide whether or not to table it.

It's not so clear the floor ruling was correct. OP said the pocket tens guy "was in the process of mucking". If the guy had already placed his cards forward face down and the dealer just hadn't swept 'em, he doesn't get the pot at this stage. If he was still waving his cards around, he does get the pot. If he was heading forward with the cards face down 30 milliseconds from releasing 'em... well... floor just has to take a guess as to whether the player had given up and wouldn't have seen it on his own, but I think if he still has the cards in his hand he hasn't given up.