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Old 11-21-2007, 05:48 AM
fisheater11 fisheater11 is offline
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Default 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

15/12/2.5 over 90

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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UTG+1: $18.10
MP1: $49.50
MP2: $23.30
Hero (CO): $96.80
BTN: $6.25
SB: $66.55
BB: $32.60
UTG: $29.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $1.50</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, 3 folds, MP1 calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $19</font>

Results: $24.75 Pot ($24.75 Rake)
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:49 AM
Rookie72 Rookie72 is offline
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

Im not an expert, but to me it looks like your up against AQ or a set. So folding would be the right decision. But could anyone of us really fold AK here?
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

based on stat (even tho its a small sample) he looks pretty tagish. Have you seen him c/r light during the session at all? If I havent seems like a fold to me.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

w/o much history you have to give him credit for a better hand here
FWIW I think calling would be pretty bad here, you should make up your mind and shove or fold in this spot and I don't like shoving
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

Check behind on this flop

What worse hands are calling the c-bet? Which better ones are folding? Are there really any draws out (outside of a rare suited connector of hearts)?
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

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Check behind on this flop


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Old 11-21-2007, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

Wait, why do you want to check this flop behind? FD or combo draws could easily call here so why give them a free turn? Or why give a medium pair a free card to make a set. Even AJh might take a card off here, depending on villain.
OP, I think you played it just fine, IMO you have to bet the flop and fold to the raise.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:58 AM
Berge20 Berge20 is offline
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

It's a 3-bet pot, which significantly limits his holdings.

Combo draws? A TAG is not calling a 3-bet OOP w KJs/KTs. Maybe JTs or similar connectors slightly lower *very rarely*

I'd venture 90% of the time, he's got AK/AQ or a pocket pair.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

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Wait, why do you want to check this flop behind? FD or combo draws could easily call here so why give them a free turn? Or why give a medium pair a free card to make a set. Even AJh might take a card off here, depending on villain...
IMO you have to bet the flop and fold to the raise.

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First of all, if we're bet/folding, it's ridiculous to consider betting as a way to "protect from draws". Because he prob c/rs all-in with a draw and then we muck and Villain's play MAXIMIZES profit on his hand.

Second, he's 15/12 and called a healthy reraise OOP. What draw do you expect him to have on this board? 8h9h?

Third, medium pairs and AJ (which IMO he won't have very often) are two and three-outers respectively. Usually the "mistake" you make by checking behind on the turn is well-outweighed by the much bigger mistake they make by bluffing later streets with no FE.

I hope that makes sense. I'm a little off this morning [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: 50NL ak top pair vs check raise

First: raise to 5 is not a healthy raise. In fact, I think it's rather a bit on the small side.
As both villain and hero are deep, I don't see why he can not call here with say KJs or JTs. His PF raise of 12 indicates that he at least sometimes could raise with these kind of hands.
@Berge: I'm not saying that the most probable holdings of villain are not AQ (though I honestly think that calling raises PF with AQs is more dangerous then calling them with say JTs or T9s), AK or PPs, maybe up to QQ. But the problem is when hero not CBs here, how will this hand develop? Say hero checks behind a brick comes off and villain bets out, can hero get away from his hand? Does he want to get rid of his hand? Say another heart comes off and villain bets, how can hero know then where he is in this hand? He could be easily ahead and catch villain bluffing but he can't know for sure.
I'm truely not a big fan of betting for information but the way hero played this hand, he might have easily saved himself a big part of his stack because in the same way our check on the flop could induce villain to make mistakes later on in the hand, it can also induce hero to make costly mistakes later on.
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