simple preflop decision really..........

bigmac366 · #1 10-20-2007, 01:48 PM

UTG has been mini raising almost every hand........ 
CO = unknown but is running 29/5 in the few hands i have vs him.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($2.25)
CO ($13.65)
Button ($13.05)
Hero ($9.35)
BB ($3.50)
UTG ($9.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.2, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero????

HasPair · #2 10-20-2007, 01:50 PM

Fold or 4-bet. I guess I fold with that information like 70% of the time and 4-bet 30%.

edit: Actually I would 4-bet this pretty often. I guess you can also just call, but I don't like playing OOP that much so I prefer taking the control.

bigmac366 · #3 10-20-2007, 01:53 PM

should we 4-bet shove, or 4 bet and fold to a shove?

HasPair · #4 10-20-2007, 01:57 PM

I would 4-bet to like $2.2ish

TheChad · #5 10-20-2007, 01:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
should we 4-bet shove, or 4 bet and fold to a shove?

[/ QUOTE ]

depends on the size of the 4b that you are feeling/reads/etc. The stacks are nice and thick for the stakes. I wouldn't mind a 4b of like 2.50 here. If you put him on anything but a PP, I would just shove. I kinda like flat-calling his 3b personally.

bigmac366 · #6 10-20-2007, 02:03 PM

would you fold to a shove though?

kroeliewoelie · #7 10-20-2007, 02:11 PM

4bet and fold to shove IMO. A guy that raises 5 percent of his hands, doesn't 4bet shove lighter than AK,KK+ IMO, unless I have seen otherwise in the past.

bknollenberg · #8 10-20-2007, 02:16 PM

i'll take the unpopular approach and say fold. if you 4 bet and fold to a shove, you're putting over 20% of your stack in and leaving it. if you call and UTG shoves or 4 bets, you can't really call. if you 4 bet and the CO flat calls and you totally miss the flop, what are you going to do? the only hand he'll really fold in that spot would be AK if you cbet, and you'd be cbetting over 50% of your remaining stack. it's just a poor spot, imo. if you really want to play it, i would open shove to save yourself the tough decision / change at being outplayed later and hope to just take it down, but that's a tourney style play. i'd drop it.

TheChad · #9 10-20-2007, 02:37 PM

meh, probably. But only bc he is tighter than most 18 year olds.

ICMoney · #10 10-20-2007, 03:04 PM

We are OTB and UTG has been MR every hand.

I just ignore him and consider this a standard 3b, not a 4b.

I make it 2.25.