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Old 10-11-2007, 11:25 AM
darks darks is offline
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Default PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

It's early in, so no reads, what do you think, do i call this bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1180)
MP1 (t1420)
MP2 (t1460)
MP3 (t1220)
CO (t1750)
Button (t1740)
SB (t960)
BB (t2270)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t40</font>, BB calls t40, Hero???
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Old 10-11-2007, 11:30 AM
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

no you don't
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Old 10-11-2007, 12:00 PM
QuadDamage QuadDamage is offline
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

Looks like at least one of them has a (weak?) ace, and you don't quite have the expressed odds to hit an inside straight, so fold.

On a side note this early I only like playing KQ in late position if no one has opened yet, ymmv.
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Old 10-11-2007, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

OK, just needed to be sure [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

i folded, but offcourse, the J hit on the turn and i wasn't sure anymore, that fold was a good decision [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

fold pf, fold flop, shove turn...

i usually want some limpers in front of me to want to limp KQ in the first stage...
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

It wouldn't be a horrible call for T40. Any J gives you the nuts and you have backdoor flush draw.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

Depends. roughly 4-1 odds with one more player left to act is not really enough for a gutshot. implied odds may justify it if you think they will pay you off with TP or two pair on a pretty coordinated board (AJT8 is pretty scary in a limper pot).
If MP1 is tight-passive I'd mix in a call here 15% of the time depending on my opponents.

Openlimp KQs from early is debatable. Not the worst play if you are confident postflop and think your table is passive and is willing to see lots of flops.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: PS 5$ - KQ do i call this bet on the flop?

This is such early doors in an SNG. If you play them regularly enough at this site on this level to know that people are going to pay off most or all of their stack with top pair on a draw heavy board then by all means you have the implied odds. Otherwise you are going to set yourself at a disadvantage by chasing small causes early in hoping you can hit it big.
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