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Old 11-13-2007, 04:30 AM
LOwrestling2001 LOwrestling2001 is offline
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Default Calling cold call 4b shove??

Villain is 19/11/7, pretty aggro TAG over 113 hands
This play, calling in position, then shoving over my 3bet looks a lot like JJ, QQ, MAYBE TT (but probably not), and less like KK or AA? If this is the case, w/ dead money in pot it makes it a call right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($194.50)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($223.10)
MP ($100)
CO ($28)
Button ($206.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $5, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $22</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $206.3</font>, Hero calls $78 (All-In).

Flop: ($206.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($206.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($206.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $206.50
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

Step 1: Range.
Step 2: Math.
Step 3: ??????
Step 4: Profit.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:53 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

looks fine
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:02 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

this is 10's and J's about always,

gogogo coinflip
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:34 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

this is exactly why i often call on the button with AA/KK when there are overaggro TAGs in the blinds
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

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this is exactly why i often call on the button with AA/KK when there are overaggro TAGs in the blinds

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so you can get value from AKs?
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:54 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

I think more so people think you have TT-QQ more often than AA/KK when you shove.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:00 AM
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

I'm really bad at math. Trying to get better. Is this right?

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.268% 39.98% 00.29% 16429851 118215.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 59.732% 59.44% 00.29% 24429015 118215.00 { TT+ }


So we are calling 78 to to win (5+22+100) 127

127/78 = 1.6:1.. and we are 3:2.... or 1.5:1, so call ?
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:46 PM
poincaraux poincaraux is offline
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Default Re: Calling cold call 4b shove??

yeah, i'm with scallop.

side note: do ya'll use ed miller's stuff?

http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/p...l=c9e767900292

Range Combos Equity
AdKd 1 42.9%
KK+:33, QQ, JJ:100, TT:10 30 57.1%

or whatever.

the weights do the right thing, by the way. 33 means "i do this 33% of the time when i get this hand" not "this hand makes up 33% of my range"
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