An old hand from my database

[monkover]

push seems ok but 150bb deep i thin this is a fold

[Nick Royale]

Get it in.

[AsydRayne]

If were getting it in here, doesn't this seem like a good spot to call the flop and either donk or check/raise the turn?

[martijn]

he still calls with 10J or KJ now, and turn might either bring him a scarecard, or helps his hand.

[Daddy Warbucks]

Boards pretty dry, and i have an A, whats a bad turn card?

And for the record, people are putting him squarely on JT+?

[martijn]

Q a K or A

he wont stack off anymore with his KJ when the ace hits

[Daddy Warbucks]

There's like a 6% chance the turn is an A.

[Trikkur]

I like a call and C/RAI on the turn. Sure their will be a few bad cards, but I think it gives you better expectation in the long run since a b/3b looks way too strong for QJ and even KJ to get it in here.

[martijn]

yeah but the Q and K are bad too, he might even have 78s or whatever, or be testing the water with his pocket 10's.

bottomline, if you push over his flop raise you either:
-get it in vs a hand you beat now and win.
-get it in vs a hand you lose to, and lose.
-get it in vs a hand you beat, and he folds

if you call his flop bet, and play a turn trying to get it in on the turn.
-you still get the money in vs hands you beat and win
OR
-if a scarecard hits, he now folds those hands that you beat.
-you still get the money in vs hands that beat you, and lose.
-he c/f his worse hands
-he now improves his hand on the turn to a better hand than yours, that he else would've folded on the flop.

maybe I dont explain it completely right, I find this pretty tough to explain.

[traz]

you're missing the benefit of craing the turn, which is that he will bet his mediocre hand and then become attached to it. We don't know if he'll stack off with his hand now.