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#825
11-20-2007, 08:06 PM
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Re: ***** November LC Thread *****
They are similar because it is a mindless "easy" system that is "guaranteed" to work, if you have the 'roll to withstand the swings. They are different because the martingale gives you a higher expectation.
I learned SAGE, the theory of it, and it really isn't that good, IMO. Shocking that I thought it was a lousy system when I first heard of it, and my opinion is not changed. 
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#826
11-20-2007, 08:08 PM
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Ok, so you have a 5k roll and you play 22s on Stars. How is martingale a smart system?
BCM, myself and a few others busted a martingale fish from the 10s over a period of a week or two a few months ago for something like 8k. I don't believe in this system.
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#828
11-20-2007, 08:39 PM
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#829
11-20-2007, 08:40 PM
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Doesn't SAGE require the SB (the aggressor) to lose at 8 and 9 BBs?
I don't recall Martingale showing a loss, although it will show a .0000000000000000000000001 +ev (which is larger than any -ev) if you really run that bad. The fish would not be able to martingale profitably at and SNG, because your edge was far larger than 5%. Fine, I am talking out of my ass a little. I just now finished a game where I was "supposed" to use SAGE. Here was the catch. If my villain had a real good hand, he would raise. Other-wise, he would fold. Why should I risk doubling him through when I can have a little bit of patience and have a larger edge? How is it more profitable to pay 7 BBs on a shove to take the blind when I get the same thing if I min-raise. I still show the same profit with less risk. There is a rare opponent that I feel I need to use something that resembles SAGE. They are usually waiting for something that is going to have a large edge. Now, I am shoving with all sorts of crap: 95s, for crying out loud. I can't see the logic of this when it makes my opponent play correctly by waiting for a hand that is slightly better than mine. The main problem with SAGE, is that it is only useful for one race, and for a .03 edge, that is terrible. If you really have your opponent down that much, then you most certainly have some sort of edge on him. If we are all aiming for that elusive 63%, using SAGE, and flipping coins makes no sense to me. I am only stating my opinion. I started using SAGE at the beginning of this month, and started using it real serious about one week ago. There is no denying that I could have done better without it. My wr has dropped and the situations I am shoving, I am shaking my head.
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#830
11-20-2007, 08:45 PM
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Re: ***** November LC Thread *****
Sage does better than to give you a 50.15 % edge over the long haul. Most players are terrible in the end game and following sage helps players (like you apparently) have the discipline to do something a lot more +EV than minraising 44 with 6bbs because "he folds all his weak hands."
Seriously, I doubt you're playing more EV than Sage offers you as a whole. The adjustments that make it more +EV to do rather than play SAGE are not really that difficult to make, but it's easier said than done and you can actually decrease your edge by steering away from SAGE. You can also increase it, but I don't think you're doing that from the limited amount of end game posting you've done here. And how is Martingale +EV in a realistic situation?
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