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06-04-2007, 02:42 AM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio.
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#2
06-04-2007, 03:16 AM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio. [/ QUOTE ] i wonder if he'll go steady w you
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#3
06-04-2007, 03:26 AM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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[ QUOTE ] 3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i wonder if he'll go steady w you [/ QUOTE ] unless you have the most insane image ever, 3 betting this flop is miserable. calling is really your only option given the board texture.
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06-04-2007, 05:32 AM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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[ QUOTE ] 3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i wonder if he'll go steady w you [/ QUOTE ] unless you have the most insane image ever, 3 betting this flop is miserable. calling is really your only option given the board texture. [/ QUOTE ] what, if anything then, SHOULD we be 3betting this flop? I am guessing the "correct" answer is "nothing," but I don't think that's right. FWIW, people try to 3bet AK/AQ/AJ out of frustration alot. If we decided to bluff, is it better to 3bet or call the c/r and fire on the turn if able? (Or make a move over a turn bet, which seems really, really crazy?)
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#6
06-04-2007, 07:17 AM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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what, if anything then, SHOULD we be 3betting this flop? I am guessing the "correct" answer is "nothing," but I don't think that's right. FWIW, people try to 3bet AK/AQ/AJ out of frustration alot. If we decided to bluff, is it better to 3bet or call the c/r and fire on the turn if able? (Or make a move over a turn bet, which seems really, really crazy?) [/ QUOTE ] You've got position, why do you need to 3-bet? To charge his pair draw? You can put in more money on later streets if you choose to, to the point of getting it allin by the river with hot-hot pot-pot action. 3-bet to provoke a 4-bet bluff, I guess, but villain isn't Grimmy.
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06-04-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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[ QUOTE ] what, if anything then, SHOULD we be 3betting this flop? I am guessing the "correct" answer is "nothing," but I don't think that's right. FWIW, people try to 3bet AK/AQ/AJ out of frustration alot. If we decided to bluff, is it better to 3bet or call the c/r and fire on the turn if able? (Or make a move over a turn bet, which seems really, really crazy?) [/ QUOTE ] You've got position, why do you need to 3-bet? To charge his pair draw? You can put in more money on later streets if you choose to, to the point of getting it allin by the river with hot-hot pot-pot action. 3-bet to provoke a 4-bet bluff, I guess, but villain isn't Grimmy. [/ QUOTE ] well, what im driving towards, is... if villain checkraise bluffs here, with air or whatever, and they'll fire on a turn, clearly we maximize ev with anything capable of beating a bluff (even say 88, as that is near = AT imo) by call/call. 3betting to protect vs a pair draw is fairly silly, esp. as it essentially turns your hand into one that is not going to showdown,. but with that same token, if we run a bluff, it has to be on the flop w/ AK or 56 or whatever, bc any bluff (or marginal hand they c/r, like an underpair) needs to be taken out of the lead. yeah, if you 3bet to provoke a 4bet, sure. if villain doesnt have a bluff v often at all, i could see 3betting trips here to just put the money in, but thats somewhat irrelevant.
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#10
06-04-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay
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but with that same token, if we run a bluff, it has to be on the flop w/ AK or 56 or whatever, bc any bluff (or marginal hand they c/r, like an underpair) needs to be taken out of the lead. [/ QUOTE ] Still room on the turn to push allin over the top if you call the flop c/r. I pretty much do think that 3betting never on this kind of flop is correct when you have position and when you're not deep. Or unless you can provoke a 4bet bluff. Getting allin on the flop favors the player without position; why do that?
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