TPTK on the flop, c/c or c/r?

[Absolution]

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I check call in these spots. This is WA/WB. You either have him reverse dominated or he's got you beat.

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You need to c/r a guy like me or any other loosish guy with a wide preflop range

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I don't play against guys like you. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[mattnxtc]

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I check call in these spots. This is WA/WB. You either have him reverse dominated or he's got you beat.

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You need to c/r a guy like me or any other loosish guy with a wide preflop range

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I agree...but from the OP this guy is like 22/17...thats not very loose.

[Thomas Luice]

Actually, I called on the flop and want to see what happens on the turn:

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero...

Ks is really a scary card for me. What is my action then?

[Absolution]

I fold on that card. That's how my session went yesterday. I'd call on the flop knowing I probably have them dominated, but then the worst card(s) would come on the turn or river. If you call the flop planning to call down or raise the turn, you don't have to be committed to that. Also, caps still tend to mean TT+ and AK+ from most people.

[mattnxtc]

Even though you picked up the straight draw I still think this is a fold now.

The straight draw will lead to a split against his range some, and you are behind basically all of his range now. At 4-5 outs this is a fold.

[Oink]

Stop folding yo!


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,188 games 0.031 secs 38,322 games/sec

Board: Qd Tc 2s Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.591% 66.25% 05.35% 787 63.50 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 28.409% 23.06% 05.35% 274 63.50 { AdQh }


Our hot cold eq is fine because there is so many JJ combos and because we have at least 4 outs vs the rest of the hands. (Except AsKs)

This guy is gonna check beind JJ. So IMO there is only one thing to do now and thats call the turn and c/f river UI. If a Q river I think I bet/puke. If an A rivers I will c/f. If a J rivers I bet/3-bet


Even discounting JJ by 50% and removing AQs form his range we can c/c c/f

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

968 games 0.005 secs 193,600 games/sec

Board: Tc Qd 2s Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 19.318% 16.84% 02.48% 163 24.00 { AdQh }
Hand 1: 80.682% 78.20% 02.48% 757 24.00 { QQ+, JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, TT, AKs, AKo }


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[inferno]

call call call

[Absolution]

Oink can take any situation and work the numbers into a call. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Good analysis though. It seems thin, but makes sense if you think he won't 3 barrel.

[JerBear77]

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actually,

90% -&gt; 77%
20% ok
0% -&gt; 2%
10% -&gt; 9%

63% -&gt; 54.784209185% (gotta be precise!)

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Oh yeah. AK has straight draw and JJ has bdsd.

BTW that range I quoted is the tightest range we should expect.

We need to add AQ which pulls our eq closer to 50% and lower pp's like TT, 99, 88.

KQs is a possibility as well not to mention the odd tilt cap by T8s.

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I might not cap preflop with my hands (tho sometimes that's a good play) but villian (basically my stats) open raises UTG down to 6s along with KQs and QJs. Folding here is a HUGE mistake in my opinion even when the K hits the turn.

[Absolution]

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actually,

90% -&gt; 77%
20% ok
0% -&gt; 2%
10% -&gt; 9%

63% -&gt; 54.784209185% (gotta be precise!)

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Oh yeah. AK has straight draw and JJ has bdsd.

BTW that range I quoted is the tightest range we should expect.

We need to add AQ which pulls our eq closer to 50% and lower pp's like TT, 99, 88.

KQs is a possibility as well not to mention the odd tilt cap by T8s.

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I might not cap preflop with my hands (tho sometimes that's a good play) but villian (basically my stats) open raises UTG down to 6s along with KQs and QJs. Folding here is a HUGE mistake in my opinion even when the K hits the turn.

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He doesn't cap those hands.