How do you like to play against maniacs like this??

crunchi · #1 11-30-2007, 06:27 PM

You have a premium hand against a maniac who hates to fold and will definitely call with worse = 4bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

therealpk · #2 11-30-2007, 06:40 PM

get all in preflop

thac · #3 11-30-2007, 06:42 PM

That's so sick 300bb deep... but I still 4bet.

Dire · #4 11-30-2007, 06:42 PM

all in, or as close to it as you can, preflop with TT+, AQ+. Postflop, all in with top pair.

Wilson Cortez · #5 11-30-2007, 06:57 PM

why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.

hotbacon · #6 11-30-2007, 06:58 PM

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why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.

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You flop an ace or king only 33% of the time.
What's your plan the other 66%?

Not 4betting here is so gross.

SonOfWestwood · #7 11-30-2007, 07:18 PM

Okay, so say we 4B pre-flop, and he calls (I'm gonna ignore the more obvious case of if he 5 bets pre-flop since we just get it all in there), what do we do on the flop if we don't hit? Do we call him down, likely having to get it all in to get to showdown? Do we get it all in if checked to?

Wilson Cortez · #8 11-30-2007, 08:15 PM

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Okay, so say we 4B pre-flop, and he calls (I'm gonna ignore the more obvious case of if he 5 bets pre-flop since we just get it all in there), what do we do on the flop if we don't hit? Do we call him down, likely having to get it all in to get to showdown? Do we get it all in if checked to?

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this is pretty much what im saying. if we 4 bet here, i would rather just 4 bet shove.

PokrLikeItsProse · #9 11-30-2007, 08:50 PM

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why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.

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You flop an ace or king only 33% of the time.
What's your plan the other 66%?

Not 4betting here is so gross.

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That sounds so horrible. Your strategy is basically to play pre-flop poker against an opponent whose flaw is playing badly after the flop.

Against this opponent, you want to see flops and decide on the flop if you want to call him down or not.

bilbo-san · #10 11-30-2007, 09:03 PM

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why not call and if you spike an A or K he stacks anyways. seems to be a waste to shove.

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You flop an ace or king only 33% of the time.
What's your plan the other 66%?

Not 4betting here is so gross.

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That sounds so horrible. Your strategy is basically to play pre-flop poker against an opponent whose flaw is playing badly after the flop.

Against this opponent, you want to see flops and decide on the flop if you want to call him down or not.

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Uh...no.

You are advocating sacrificing a 2:1 edge preflop because you hope that you can get an even bigger post-flop edge.

That's a huge sacrifice. This is one hand. It doesn't define our strategy. You have a tremendous edge on this hand pre-flop that you can't sacrifice.

But I wouldn't want to get all-in pre-flop with 77 even though it is ahead of his range, because then my edge is small. See what I'm getting at?

Completely ignoring pre-flop equity just because you have a post-flop edge (even a big one) is pretty bad. Especially vs. a guy like this where you don't even need to worry about balancing your 4-bet ranges. Stick to premiums because he's never folding anyway.