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Old 12-01-2007, 05:01 PM
ceegee ceegee is offline
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Default KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates my example)

Sometimes at low stakes it is good to bring in with a full bet

7 Card Stud High ($0.05/$0.10), Ante $0.01 (converter)

3rd Street

seat 0: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
seat 2: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
seat 6: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street

seat 0: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
seat 2: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street
I Raise here to get out seat 4 and 7

seat 0: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street
His check here indicates to me that he had a drawing hand and missed diamond. I'm putting him on Ts, so I'm betting here with live draws at two pair and trips

seat 0: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River

seat 0: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:31 PM
Poker CPA Poker CPA is offline
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates my example)

Yesterday 4:20 PM
Your words
"He(Zee)was right about bringing in"

So yesterday you changed your mind about completing the BI, but it appears today you switched back. WTF
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

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Yesterday 4:20 PM
Your words
"He(Zee)was right about bringing in"


So yesterday you changed your mind about completing the BI, but it appears today you switched back. WTF

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He is right. In this spot I like bringing in for a full bet sometimes on a loose table.

It can be beneficial at low stakes sometimes, I didn't say this was always right. It usually is right to just bring in and reraise, but with the board here I can't expect anyone to complete so if I just bring in and no one completes i'm loosing a bet there. Low stakes people also are calling anyway cause they can't put me on kings.

Also I wanted to see what happened if I listened to Kammen. I think in this spot he is right. It is good to bring in for a full bet at a loose micro stakes table.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

This hand could have gone either way. I like a limp reraise hoping someone is going to complete, and I can see bringing in for a full bet because an ace is dead.

7 Card Stud High ($0.05/$0.10), Ante $0.01 (converter)

3rd Street

seat 0: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
seat 4: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street

seat 0: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises

5th Street

seat 0: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street

seat 0: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

River

seat 0: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

river bet in hand 1 is terrible
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

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river bet in hand 1 is terrible

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Not if he backed into Ts from a flush draw and is still looking for that draw, which is what I put him on.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

You put him on a flush draw? What, like clubs? How did he get to 6th st, then? Why did he bet 4th? What does he like about that J?

What do you think HE thinks you have?
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

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You put him on a flush draw? What, like clubs? How did he get to 6th st, then? Why did he bet 4th? What does he like about that J?

What do you think HE thinks you have?

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Your looking at hand 2. My response is on hand 1.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: KK[2] in the bring in at low stakes (illustrates Kammens example)

Oh. Heh, n/m.
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