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Old 11-30-2007, 09:50 PM
ceegee ceegee is offline
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My reason for being so aggressive is getting that stupid drawing hand out.

7 Card Stud High ($0.05/$0.10), Ante $0.01, Bring-In $0.02 (converter)

3rd Street

seat 0: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
seat 2: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings in___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
seat 5: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street

seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___double-raises___re-raises
seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___re-raises___calls

5th Street

seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street

seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River

seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets___re-raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___folds
seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___raises___calls
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:11 PM
PoorLawyer PoorLawyer is offline
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Default Re: Split aces (blah)

I wouldnt worry about getting the draw out too much. If he has trips, you need to fill to win the hand. If you fill you will beat seat 1 anyway.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:25 PM
PokrLikeItsProse PokrLikeItsProse is offline
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My reason for being so aggressive is getting that stupid drawing hand out.


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Haha, you think the apparent drawing hand is folding, especially since he bet out on fourth vs someone showing an open pair. You could turn your cards over and show him rolled up aces and he's still calling you.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: Split aces (blah)

good point, but I could potentially get out the 4s
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:55 PM
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good point, but I could potentially get out the 4s

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If the 4s have trips, you aren't getting him out and if he doesn't have trips, do you want him out?
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:06 PM
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Yes with a solid two pair you want to drive people out in stud. You don't want the 4s to see anything cheaply so a raise is the right move there. You don't want him catching trips or filling his boat.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:40 PM
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Good stuff Prose. Funny too
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:15 AM
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Not really. You win more / lose less by just calling 4th.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:46 AM
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4th Street

seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___double-raises___re-raises
seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___re-raises___calls


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The re-raise is fine, but once the paired door has re-raised, its time to fold. You know he has trips (or less he is a tricky player) and you really need to catch an ace. You're not in deep so get out while it is still cheap.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: Split aces (blah)

If the guy with 44 does not have trips, you do not want him out, do you see why? He currently has no draw, and if he makes 2 pair he still loses unless he has an A and catches the case A. His only chance to beat you is a 2 outter to trips. *let him draw at it*

But anyway, he doesn't have 1 pair, he probably has 2 pair or trips. Given 4th st action I'm guessing trips. What do you put him on when he check-3bets the 2 of you after you double-bet raise the guy wit 2 hearts? Please don't say "nothing" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

5th is bad because the guy you think you're trying to knock out is between the bettor and you, and he's already called 1 bet, so he'll call one more, unless you're hoping Mr 44 will re-raise and face him with 2, in which case YOU should fold. Seriously.

I understand what you're going for, but in situations where you can not force someone to fold, it's not a good idea to endlessly throw money at the situation hoping they'll fold. The outcome will be the same. If you're a money favorite, bet and raise for value, if you're not, keep the pot small and look for an opportunity for your opponents to make a mistake.
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