KTo AKQ board bb vs sb

[Frankzan]

PokerStars Game #12571863783: Tournament #63176944, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/10/11 - 18:34:02 (ET)
Table '63176944 114' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Asiandude77 (8525 in chips)
Seat 2: LEPRECAUN1 (11614 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: Vanobros (3127 in chips)
Seat 4: eidur888 (29320 in chips)
Seat 5: frankzan (32371 in chips)
Seat 6: pAAuletta (16675 in chips)
Seat 7: SUBITRIN (6905 in chips)
Seat 8: .oJEVOo. (5507 in chips)
Seat 9: jems25 (24472 in chips)
Asiandude77: posts the ante 75
LEPRECAUN1: posts the ante 75
Vanobros: posts the ante 75
eidur888: posts the ante 75
frankzan: posts the ante 75
pAAuletta: posts the ante 75
SUBITRIN: posts the ante 75
.oJEVOo.: posts the ante 75
jems25: posts the ante 75
eidur888: posts small blind 400
frankzan: posts big blind 800
frankzan said, "??????????"
Asiandude77 said, "r u kidding me"
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to frankzan [Ts Kc]
pAAuletta: folds
Asiandude77 said, "moron"
SUBITRIN: folds
.oJEVOo.: folds
jems25: folds
Asiandude77: folds
LEPRECAUN1: folds
Vanobros: folds
eidur888: raises 2400 to 3200
frankzan: raises 4000 to 7200
eidur888: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ks Qs]
eidur888: checks
frankzan: bets 8800
eidur888: raises 13245 to 22045 and is all-in

Gambool or not?

[jchauvin]

i'd call preflop with these stacks. if i reraised i always check this flop.

when you get to where you did, what are you getting like 3.5-1? ehhhhh i guess you have to call and hope he has A5.

[Dunkman]

First, why would you 3bet PF in position with a decent hand? I don't understand that at all.

As for the flop, I mean surely you had to know that a CRAI was a possibility. I think the cbet was a mistake, which further compounded your PF mistake. You're getting almost 3:1 on this call, and you do have the gutshot, and a K is probably good. I don't think your T is good at all, as I think on average he has 2 pair or something like AJ where your kicker makes him a straight or a better 2 pair or something. I'd guess you have 5 outs or so, with the times you are crushed cancelled out by the times he has something like A9 which gives you a few more outs. Maybe 5-6 outs, but I think 6 is overly generous. I think you have to call now, but I feel like a bigger point here is that this spot was entirely unavoidable.

[Frankzan]

I admit i put myself in an awkward situation pre- and postflop, but i was only asking if i shoulda called or not.

[ssnyc]

has he been doing this a lot? do you really want to get nuts with K 10 here? I also check behind on this flop...what were you planning to do when he did his standard check raise?

[Frankzan]

well, i took my timebank and decided to go and gamble. I rivered the J and got berated harshly. Think i made my mistakes earlier but had to call here. He folded the previous hand vs shortstack w 1:8 odds. ('moron' by asiandude in chat) So i figured he was bad enuff to shove w Q7 here.
Oh, he had A9.

[erc007]

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First, why would you 3bet PF in position with a decent hand? I don't understand that at all.

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I can't agree more...this is only good against a total spewtard who will 4-bet with worse. 3-betting this hand turns it into a bluff b/c u can't/shouldn't call a 4-bet shove w ~40BB effective.