STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 272

TravestyFund · #**2711** 11-28-2007, 05:44 AM

stay up lacky, those are some tough hands [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

cya in vegas!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Jbrochu · #**2712** 11-28-2007, 10:50 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($401.70)
Button ($216.50)
SB ($199)
BB ($200)
Hero ($205.35)
MP ($229.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, Button raises to $42, BB folds, Hero?

Villian is MrteddyKGB. He's a nit who minraises a lot. But should know me etc. from SNGs. I am quite sure he has an ace here. But I am also quite sure if I hit my set, I would have a hard time stacking him. Or maybe he even is smelling weakness in my cbet. Really tempting to repop this to $110 or something.

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I just give up. It's hard to think he's making a move on you considering your preflop raise came from UTG and the pot is still multi-way when pops your c-bet.

Slim Pickens · #**2713** 11-28-2007, 11:09 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($194)
UTG ($213.35)
MP ($50)
CO ($464)
Hero ($199)
SB ($157.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, BB calls $8, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($31) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $10, MP folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($51) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB calls $22.

River: ($95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $74, Hero?

Villian is sethypoopoo. He seemed solid and had a nice stack on 2 tables I was on with him. I forget his stats, but they weren't anything abnormal.

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That seems like a very read-dependent call on the river. I don't really get why you bet the turn unless you knew he was capable of floating the turn and bluffing the river, or calling two streets with less than TT. There are some plausible hands that you're beating left from his BB calling range like 99-55. He also knows there's a lot of hands in your range, like JJ-55, that his QJ is beating and might look him up. Overall, I don't see why the pot has to be that big on the river. It's a much less stressful decision if it's $51 instead of $95.

Jbrochu · #**2714** 11-28-2007, 12:06 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($270.65)
UTG ($200)
MP ($70.75)
Hero ($199.15)
SB ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($47) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $32, Hero calls $32.

River: ($111) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $55, Hero raises to $145.15, UTG folds.

KjEtTiNg said, "set?"

Villian had shown a willingness to felt with an 88 overpair previously.

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I think you played it fine and maybe got max value.

However, with your read I think re-popping it on the flop is a good line as well. Since he raised UTG his range includes hands like TT,JJ,QQ that he's probably willing to get it in with on the flop but scare cards could come and slow him down. He might also be willing to continue with something like AK or AQ if he feels like you're making a move on him on this relatively dry flop.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2715** 11-28-2007, 02:48 PM

I think the 54o hand you probably shoved river, w/o putting him on a hand and w/o considering why is he still with you after all the betting you've been doing and asking yourself "can this paired river card help him". Don't worry, I would have played the same as you b/c I often act before I think.

I think that you should have dumped the JT hand once he raised you on the flop, afterall he raised pf, bet and raised the flop and you really don't have a hand.

The JJ hand just sucks, but you played it fine, IMO.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2716** 11-28-2007, 02:53 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($194)
UTG ($213.35)
MP ($50)
CO ($464)
Hero ($199)
SB ($157.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, BB calls $8, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($31) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $10, MP folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($51) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB calls $22.

River: ($95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $74, Hero?

Villian is sethypoopoo. He seemed solid and had a nice stack on 2 tables I was on with him. I forget his stats, but they weren't anything abnormal.

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When villain takes charge after calling you down, that smells like you're done... dump it for that price...

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #**2717** 11-28-2007, 02:56 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($401.70)
Button ($216.50)
SB ($199)
BB ($200)
Hero ($205.35)
MP ($229.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, Button raises to $42, BB folds, Hero?

Villian is MrteddyKGB. He's a nit who minraises a lot. But should know me etc. from SNGs. I am quite sure he has an ace here. But I am also quite sure if I hit my set, I would have a hard time stacking him. Or maybe he even is smelling weakness in my cbet. Really tempting to repop this to $110 or something.

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dump it on the flop once he raises you, your hand is no good, and if it is ahead it can easily be the worse hand by the river. Sometimes you fold the winning hand, but you staying with him basically only wins if he is bluffing.

suzzer99 · #**2718** 11-28-2007, 03:04 PM

I agree he probably has an ace here. My point is every time I raise a set in these spots, they think forever and fold. Very frustrating. I would think this could possibly used to exploit known weak-tight nits at $1/$2. If I had say AJ in villian's spot, you guys would probably tell me to fold to a scary RR from a 2p2er. I'd be a moron to go broke with TP3K right?

I'm sure I'm overthinking this.

wuwei · #**2719** 11-28-2007, 03:54 PM

Lacky,

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], that's brutal. If it would make you feel better to spend 3 hours beating up on me HU on your way to a championship, please let me know!

Suzzer,

The TT hand is just odd. I don't think your turn bet accomplishes much, I would check it through or bet more. River, I fold against villain as I remember him (been a while since I played much on stars).

The first 22 hand - obviously just fold the flop. It's just such a bad spot with all the draws and your hand that has little value. If you think he's getting out of line, I would pick better spots to play back - spots where the board isn't quite so wet and you stack up better versus his range. Even if he flopped an oesd or a flush draw with no pairs, he's still a favorite on that flop.

The second 22 hand - you played it fine. As others said, raising the flop has merit when he likes to stack off with overpairs. In fact, unless you know he's willing to fire a lot of 2nd barrels on a flop like this, raising the flop is probably the best play. Could do some quick math on what % of his range is overpairs and how often he spikes pair on the turn. Also, you should be bluff raising those flops some as well.

Karp,

The KK hand - get it in on the flop because you're OOP so the turn is a bitch, worse hands will call, draws, etc.

Dr J,

The broadway hand - what futuredoc said. Pot that flop and keep your foot on the gas.

DevinLake · #**2720** 11-28-2007, 04:30 PM

TT hand,

When someone donks out on that flop I'd weight their range much more towards flush draws than a Q or set.

That being said, I still might pot control the turn and snap off a bluff on the river. But, I don't think your line is fine. But, if you bet on the turn I think it's to protect against the flush draw, which makes calling the river kinda mandatory.

I'd really expect a c/r at some point with a set, and a smaller river bet (blocking bet) with a Q.

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