Help Plz.....I cant beat the fish!

[Schneids]

Could be you end up in the non-choice seats and end up with position on a few of the "winners" rather than a few of the fish. It's very possible people you have pegged as fish actually fare ok vs you when they are in position vs you.

[mntbikr15]

More
good points.

Victor....would expect nothing less...but quite possibly true

Vma....do you, or anyone, have any advice on how to do this? Im not much of a PT guru.

Schneids...that may actually have alot to do with it. When I think about it I seem to always take position on tougher players if I have an option.

[noles321]

Since, our numbers are similar on how we play and I experience the same issue as you. I am glad you posted this. I did some research after we comunicated previously on this subject and what I believe the case to be is that since we play more pots we have marginal holdings in position quite often. Against, a solid player the positional advantage is huge since they are willing to fold a wide range of hands against the so called FISH (or calling station) they call down more often even with marginal holdings but often have you beat. This is what I believe is occuring. Since, they don't fold ace high or King high, they often call your J10 Q10 to the river.

[chesterboy]

So given the choice, schneids you would take position on the fish? I have normally been taking position on the toughest player, and have the same problem as the OP is discussing.

[chesterboy]

Say you are joining a 2 handed game.

Player 1: horrible, passive calling station fish. Rarely folds before the river.
Player 2: Good aggresive lag player that relentlessly steals blinds.

Who would you guys rather have position on?

[Flintoff]

I have a very similar DB. The reasons I think this happens are

a) over long term I do well againt regulars thus they dont do so well
b)There are far far far more fish and by the law of averages some will do well.

[vmacosta]

"Vma....do you, or anyone, have any advice on how to do this? Im not much of a PT guru."

have to do sql query.

i doubt it takes long but i also don't think the results will be very interesting.

I can't imagine a player profile where if your sample is big enough you would make less from the fish than the tags (assuming equal # of hands vs. both groups).

[Xylocain]

Um, OP ... did you by any chance count the fish you are winning against and compare that number to fish you are losing to ??? Then maybe play a little more with numbers and subtract the winnings from fish running bad and normal from fish running hot?

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