2-4 AJs what did I do wrong?

Hydrant · #1 04-04-2007, 08:15 PM

SB is 16/7/3.5
UTG is 41/8/.7
MP3 is 22/11/1.1

Is turn raise OK?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Chino987 · #2 04-04-2007, 08:18 PM

i fold flop with weak overs and BDFD. given that a flush draw is out there already, we may be reverse dominated, and the J completes an open ender (not to mention is easily counterfeited by many river cards such as K, Q, T, spade, etc), I give you 1 BDFD outs and 1.5 overcard outs...not nearly enough to continue.

Harv72b · #3 04-04-2007, 11:07 PM

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what did I do wrong?

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Called the river bet.

James. · #4 04-04-2007, 11:34 PM

yeah, come on. that should be an easy river fold.

turn raise is good, btw.

Niediam · #5 04-04-2007, 11:49 PM

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i fold flop with weak overs and BDFD. given that a flush draw is out there already, we may be reverse dominated, and the J completes an open ender (not to mention is easily counterfeited by many river cards such as K, Q, T, spade, etc), I give you 1 BDFD outs and 1.5 overcard outs...not nearly enough to continue.

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I think the flop is closer to a raise than a fold.

SpleenLSD · #6 04-04-2007, 11:59 PM

4 players to a flop you missed, despite overs and the back-door flush = a fold.

Jeff311420 · #7 04-05-2007, 12:50 AM

Terrible call on the river

Niediam · #8 04-05-2007, 04:39 AM

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4 players to a flop you missed, despite overs and the back-door flush = a fold.

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Big pot.

Yoshi63 · #9 04-05-2007, 05:53 AM

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i fold flop with weak overs and BDFD. given that a flush draw is out there already, we may be reverse dominated, and the J completes an open ender (not to mention is easily counterfeited by many river cards such as K, Q, T, spade, etc), I give you 1 BDFD outs and 1.5 overcard outs...not nearly enough to continue.

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Probably the best analysis of a hand I've ever read. It made sense to me at least. Even though it would be difficult (for many, including myself) to recognize all this in the 5-10 second given to act - it is still very correct in my eyes. And I'm sure I would've automatically called this with overs AND a BDFD as well. But I now think it's a fold.

Since you called, I think it's very likely you have the best hand on the turn. Doesn't look like anyone's got the 8T straight, so unless I'm missing something, the raise seems good to me. However, the Qs ties with the Ks for worst possible river. As others pointed out, I think you're beaten 99% of the time. I don't think it's even worth a crying call since you will keep your sanity when UTG and MP3 showdown a better hand.

Lastly, I felt like trying to predict the opponents hands for some reason here. Since they all showed down, can the OP (Hydrant) tell me how I do? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

SB - can't decide between weak jack (JT/J8), or QJ for two pair.
UTG - two spades (flush), either A9-A3 (sans A7), KT, or 89
MP3 - A very bad pair (such as 33-66 or 67), or KT (straight)

Gazzbut · #10 04-05-2007, 08:14 AM

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i fold flop with weak overs and BDFD. given that a flush draw is out there already, we may be reverse dominated, and the J completes an open ender (not to mention is easily counterfeited by many river cards such as K, Q, T, spade, etc), I give you 1 BDFD outs and 1.5 overcard outs...not nearly enough to continue.

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Well I normally give a BDFD to the nut flush 2 outs and I would give the overs 2 outs in this situation also for a total of 4 outs. Getting 9/1 immediate odds the implied odds make this a super easy call.