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08-06-2007, 11:45 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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how can he pay off with an 8 when your hand is so easily a boat or a flush? and he's kinda spewy. what if, as unlikely as it is, you raise to 4600 and he pushes some cheese. even if you ARE ahead 50% when called, and I dont think you are, unless it's - say - 60% you're not getting anywhere near the overlay you need for giving yourself the chance at losing a won pot, IMO. and i dont see how you can possibly be ahead 60% WHEN CALLED here... [/ QUOTE ] If villain has the balls to rebluff shove then kudos, he wins...but he goes busto every time Ike is full here. 
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#12
08-06-2007, 11:46 PM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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[ QUOTE ] how can he pay off with an 8 when your hand is so easily a boat or a flush? and he's kinda spewy. what if, as unlikely as it is, you raise to 4600 and he pushes some cheese. even if you ARE ahead 50% when called, and I dont think you are, unless it's - say - 60% you're not getting anywhere near the overlay you need for giving yourself the chance at losing a won pot, IMO. and i dont see how you can possibly be ahead 60% WHEN CALLED here... [/ QUOTE ] If villain has the balls to rebluff shove then kudos, he wins...but he goes busto every time Ike is full here. [/ QUOTE ] given the way the hand played out, how can ike have a boat?
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#13
08-07-2007, 12:03 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
T8...
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#14
08-07-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] how can he pay off with an 8 when your hand is so easily a boat or a flush? and he's kinda spewy. what if, as unlikely as it is, you raise to 4600 and he pushes some cheese. even if you ARE ahead 50% when called, and I dont think you are, unless it's - say - 60% you're not getting anywhere near the overlay you need for giving yourself the chance at losing a won pot, IMO. and i dont see how you can possibly be ahead 60% WHEN CALLED here... [/ QUOTE ] If villain has the balls to rebluff shove then kudos, he wins...but he goes busto every time Ike is full here. [/ QUOTE ] given the way the hand played out, how can ike have a boat? [/ QUOTE ] yah, i really don't see how i ever have a boat. assuming i checked the flop with a big hand, very unlikely and even more so against this guy, theres still no way i'm flatting the turn with 2 pair or a set. a flush is basically the best hand i can possibly have here. he, on the other hand, can very believably have a boat, so i'm in a really uncomfortable spot if he shoves.
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#16
08-07-2007, 12:11 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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[ QUOTE ] T8... [/ QUOTE ] i'm raising the turn with t8 pretty much every time I think, don't you agree? [/ QUOTE ] Meh, I think I call sometimes on the turn, but I get the point, you and ansky are right that you are almost never full. But that doesn't guarantee you are going to fold to his shove. Does he pay off with AT here ever? A B3B bluff here would take a pretty sick player to execute, even if it really looks like you can't have a boat.
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#17
08-07-2007, 12:12 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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T8... [/ QUOTE ] yah sure, once in a million times, ike decides both to check the flop, and to just call the turn i guess
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#18
08-07-2007, 12:15 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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call for sure [/ QUOTE ]
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#19
08-07-2007, 12:19 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
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[ QUOTE ] T8... [/ QUOTE ] yah sure, once in a million times, ike decides both to check the flop, and to just call the turn i guess [/ QUOTE ] but this isnt that important if villain is braindead so w/e
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#20
08-07-2007, 01:09 AM
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Re: 50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?
yes, raise (edited because i saw all the 'just calls') i say: LOL.
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