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Old 08-22-2007, 12:19 PM
Willem Willem is offline
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Default 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

No reads/stats, except that the limpers I raised were of the limping-lots variety.

My standard line when I flop a flush draw + 2 overs is to get it all in. I always thought this was standard. Does anyone agree or disagree with me on this? Does the fact that we went to the flop 4-way and so the pot is pretty large change anything?

If you disagree, please explain how you would play this hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($40.75)
UTG ($26.60)
MP ($72.05)
Hero ($51.05)
Button ($58.45)
SB ($24.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, Button calls $3, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($12.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $21</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $48.05</font>
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:25 PM
Go_BroKe Go_BroKe is offline
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Default Re: 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

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Does anyone agree or disagree with me on this? Does the fact that we went to the flop 4-way and so the pot is pretty large change anything?

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1. I full agree with you.
2. It's even better, if the pot is already big and you are against more opponents. Your hand has about 50% equity against a single hand - with a large pot you have more dead money in there and you can safely push.
Against several opponents, your drawing hand becomes very strong. Your overcard outs may would not be outs, but you still have at least 35% Equity with your draw.

Pushing here is very +EV imo.
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

You should be playing weak combos more carefully multiway. Dont forget, he is raising uncoordinated board into 3 people. I dont think your T or Ace is much of an out here. But he is giving you the odds to draw so take it and c/f non diamond turn.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

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You should be playing weak combos more carefully multiway. Dont forget, he is raising uncoordinated board into 3 people. I dont think your T or Ace is much of an out here. But he is giving you the odds to draw so take it and c/f non diamond turn.

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Yes, we have no FEQ against him imo, so call is good.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:48 PM
Jouster777 Jouster777 is offline
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Default Re: 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

The problem with calling here is we get to the turn with only a 1/2PSB behind and OOP. If we hit our flush villain can possibly get away and if we whiff are we going to call his push getting 3:1 or fold? This question needs to be answered before we call here...cuz if we are calling (edit: the hypothetical whiffed turn) then we need to be pushing instead.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:59 PM
C4LL4W4Y C4LL4W4Y is offline
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Default Re: 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

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You should be playing weak combos more carefully multiway. Dont forget, he is raising uncoordinated board into 3 people. I dont think your T or Ace is much of an out here. But he is giving you the odds to draw so take it and c/f non diamond turn.

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qft, also i cbet around 7 in this spot. i don't like 3/4 pot into 4 people on a flop that you're likely to get looked up on.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - ATs flops NFD, I get it in, line check

Call and give villain a chance to fold if a diamond falls on the turn?
No, shove.
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