5NL-a flopped set and a big draw

Jack Bando · #1 10-25-2007, 03:54 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($5.84)
Button ($9.73)
SB ($11.96)
BB ($9.27)
UTG ($6.17)
UTG+1 ($10.10)
MP1 ($11.47)
Hero ($4.93)
MP3 ($6.07)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, MP3 calls $0.15, 4 folds.

Flop: ($0.52) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($1.02) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, MP3 calls $0.45.

River: ($1.92) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, MP3 calls $0.35.

Final Pot: $2.62

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Button ($5.16)
SB ($5.92)
BB ($6.12)
UTG ($9.89)
UTG+1 ($9.58)
MP1 ($17.19)
MP2 ($3.59)
MP3 ($4.03)
Hero ($4.43)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.2, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 3 folds.

Flop: ($0.47) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 raises to $9.25, Hero calls $3.23 (All-In).

Final Pot: $8.93

Hand 1-I'm mainly wondering what to do on this river, I think the flop and turn were fine.

Hand 2-Is this okay is my basic Q.

Thanks

Edited out turn/river on hand 2

Spurious · #2 10-25-2007, 04:00 PM

First hand:
Why did you bet less than 1/2 pot on turn and even less on the river?

Second hand:
Reload before the hand.
3bet preflop and go from there.
As played: Your hand isnt that big, you gotta NFD + 2overs. If one of your overs isnt good, which could be the case you are drawing to 12 outs.
But villain could have a set here and you are drawing to your flush only, which means 25% equity (since he can improve as well if you hit turn).

Your first mistake was to call pf and not 3bet, you got position i'd definitely 3bet.
This put you in a spot, where you should have folded the flop imo.

Jack Bando · #3 10-25-2007, 04:14 PM

First Hand-I didn't notice and the river made me want to soil my self respectively.

Second hand
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Reload when I'm only down 10% of my starting stack? (I start with $5 not $10 at this level)

If villian has TT-JJ, I think I'm favored. AK/QQ-KK, I'm slight dog (with 0 fold equity, especially at this level). AA/2 pair/trips I'm down to about 25-34% chance.

So on the flop is it Call>Fold>Raise or is it Fold>Call>Raise? (I pick CFR)

3bet pre? Since I am in position doesn't that lean towards a call?

poincaraux · #4 10-25-2007, 04:24 PM

On the second hand, you're getting 1.3:1, which turns out to be exactly your equity against 33,55,99+. I can't really see folding, even if you'd rather be the one pushing.

well named · #5 10-25-2007, 05:11 PM

Hand 1 - I think you should be betting more on all streets: for value, to avoid offering too high of implied odds against straight draws, and also as balance against the times you also c-bet the flop with things like AJo. It's a bad bet-sizing tell if you c-bet 3/4 pot with nothing and bet 1/2 when you flop a set out of position. If a scare card hits the turn and he crai you might reevaluate but bet more on the flop and turn at least.

Hand 2 - I like the way you played this. On the flop he will have often missed on this board given a typical EP pre-flop raising range so a raise as a semi-bluff should have decent fold equity, and with an expected 12+ outs the majority of time I don't mind getting it in here.

{TT,JJ,QQ,KK} - 21 combinations with 48% equity, {33,55,99,AA} - 12 combinations with 28%

You can also throw in a few other hands like A9 or 6c4c.

well named · #6 10-25-2007, 05:16 PM

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3bet pre? Since I am in position doesn't that lean towards a call?

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It probably depends on how loose he is raising in early position. If he's raising a lot of hands 3-betting for value probably isn't bad, but at this level I'm not sure I like 3-betting too light as a semi-bluff because it seems like the average villain's 3-bet calling range is pretty much their raising range (so no fold equity) and in position I'd much rather see a flop. 3-betting too tight of a range might be a leak of mine though, although I doubt anyone at 5NL is exploiting it much.

kurto · #7 10-25-2007, 05:35 PM

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Flop: ($0.52) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.40 ,...

Turn: ( $1.32 ) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1 , MP3 calls $0.45.

River: ($3.32) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

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SEE NEW BET AMOUNTS ABOVE

Second:
Your river bet- [ QUOTE ]
Hero bets $0.35,

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Ask yourself... what is the point of betting .35 into a pot of 1.92? (and please share, I'm curious.) Is this a value bet? Is it supposed to make a worse hand fold? Anytime you bet (and the amount you bet), there should be a reason for it. If you think your hand is best, you certainly want to earn more then .35. If you think you're not best and want someone to fold, certainly you're not going to accomplish it for .35. If you're scared that you lost, what does a .35 bet accomplish? If your opponent made a straight, unless he's a complete fool, he's going to raise anyways. And if you're going to fold if he raises, then why bet an amount that makes you look weak that a lot of players will raise purely as a bluff?

Frankly, at .05 tables... I'm happily getting my stack in with just about any set other I have bottom set and the turn looks like this...

10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

In the long run, you will profit.

HAND 2-
Without knowing his range, you're okay.
If he ONLY did this with sets and/or AA you should fold.
If he does this with KK or QQ you've approx 45% equity.
If he does this with JJ or less (non set), you are the favorite.

panzerocks4 · #8 10-25-2007, 07:43 PM

hand 2 is fine
you didnt bet enough on the flop or turn and you left yourself in a terrible spot on the river. if he pushes what are you going to do?

Jack Bando · #9 10-25-2007, 11:00 PM

Kurto, in hindsight I'd say it was a blocking bet (not saying it was a good one)

Panzer, if you mean hand 1, I guess I'd fold to a shove on the river.