$50nl QQ flops overpair to the board in a 3-bet pot.

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Villain seems pretty competent (23/19). Have not gotten involved with him at all at this point. I felt that since i raised UTG that he has to give me credit for a solid hand. Although as a consequence of getting good starting hands/playing a little more loose my table image is probably something like 25/20 on this table. I do not know though if he is paying attention to this b/c I cant recall him 3 betting me out of the blind b4.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $119.35
BB: $56.35
Hero (UTG): $87.65
CO: $51.55
BTN: $182.90

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $5</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: ($10.50) 7 J 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $7</font>, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($24.50) 7 J 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [ 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $20</font>, Hero?

Playing around with PokerStove, if I assign him a range of JJ+, AKs, AKo, we are about 46/54. Although I do not think that he would 3 bet preflop with JJ.

If we remove JJ, we become 50/50. So i guess the question really becomes, would he continue betting here with AK?

What do you guys think?

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Don't want to edit post but want to ask, Can anyone see a flop raise since we are a little deepish and i can easily get away from my hand if he 3-bets?

[Profish2285]

Grunch

I probably raise this flop to like 17 or so with the intention of folding to a push.

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I probably raise this flop to like 17 or so with the intention of folding to a push.

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Ok, i am thinking about this line today, assume he just calls the raise, is our plan to then get to showdown as cheaply as possible or are you gonna bet the turn.

I think, if i get called I would check the turn and try and keep the pot smaller (relative to betting the Turn). This would also prevent us from running into a stack-a-donk.

Am i way off?

[Sarge85]

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Grunch

I probably raise this flop to like 17 or so with the intention of folding to a push.

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Ok, i am thinking about this line today, assume he just calls the raise, is our plan to then get to showdown as cheaply as possible or are you gonna bet the turn.

I think, if i get called I would check the turn and try and keep the pot smaller (relative to betting the Turn). This would also prevent us from running into a stack-a-donk.

Am i way off?

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Wouldn't you have to be the turn (how much i don't know) to "avoid" him shoving his stack on the river?

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[L'ennemi.]

never play more than 50 BB deep and push preflop

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Grunch

I probably raise this flop to like 17 or so with the intention of folding to a push.

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Ok, i am thinking about this line today, assume he just calls the raise, is our plan to then get to showdown as cheaply as possible or are you gonna bet the turn.

I think, if i get called I would check the turn and try and keep the pot smaller (relative to betting the Turn). This would also prevent us from running into a stack-a-donk.

Am i way off?

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Wouldn't you have to be the turn (how much i don't know) to "avoid" him shoving his stack on the river?

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Thats is a another point worth considering, however, if we bet the turn and get the $$ in we are going to be huge dogs to his range no?

So then if both betting options suck, should we be just calling this flop?

[Daniel LeClaire]

Without a good read folding the turn is standard. Most TAGs aren't going to fire a 2nd barrel with AK after you've called on this flop. If he's decent he should have a hand here given you raised UTG and he 3 bet from the SB.

I don't like raising the flop. If you raise you are really hoping he folds. You are better off doing that with nothing, rather than a hand like QQ which has showdown value.

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never play more than 50 BB deep and push preflop

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