What to do when a player goes south?

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I was playing a LIMIT game (10/20 omaha8) at a casino today. Some guy was going on a good streak and built his stack up to about 600 or so from 200. The guy next to him repeatedly kept bringing out black chips (100) to breakdown, which the guy on a streak kept changing for him. He ended up with about 5 black chips. And in about an 30 min after he had changed the last of the guys chips, they were mysterially gone from the table! Now, in this room all the omaha players were all pretty friendly with each other, and this guy seemed to be a regular and friends with everyone else, so I doubt they would mind. I guess what I'm asking is, should you call someone out on it? Even if everyone at the table gets along with the person? I wanted to say something, but didn't wanna get the scorn from him and create some sort of bad atmosphere at the table.

[Witzo]

If he goes from having 600 in front of him to $100 then you definitely have to say something. Big difference if he still has $1000+ in front of him still.

[fatshark]

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If he goes from having 600 in front of him to $100 then you definitely have to say something. Big difference if he still has $1000+ in front of him still.

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That is also my opinion. If he has the second largest stack covered after the "transaction" I probably wouldn't say anything in a limit structured game

But...
If it is a NL game (obv not O8) I would not see this the same way as two hands could wipe out his stack.
Reader's Digest version:
In Limit...I say nothing if he is still the biggest stack after he ratholes.
No Limit...I might mention it to the floor discretely so they can address it if it happening frequently.

[brandon]

I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in.

Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700.

He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game.

The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills.

[RR]

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I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in.

Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700.

He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game.

The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills.

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So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in?

[brandon]

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I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in.

Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700.

He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game.

The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills.

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So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in?

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No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter.

[EWillers]

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No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter.


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What's the threshold for bringing it up? Do you just wait until the bet that would have put himself all-in? Or do you bring it up preemptivley at two big bets left? Three? Four? Is the threshold dependant on your holding (e.g. whether you're banking on implied odds or not). If so, wouldn't you worry this could give info. on the nature of your hand.

I think that any alteration of his stack would need to be done between hands, not in the middle of one. I can't think of any circumstances as a player where I should be allowed or forced to alter the size of my stack in the middle of a hand.

I also find it noble (but weird) that "your hand doesn't matter" (if true).

[SNOWBALL]

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I was playing a LIMIT game (10/20 omaha8) at a casino today. Some guy was going on a good streak and built his stack up to about 600 or so from 200. The guy next to him repeatedly kept bringing out black chips (100) to breakdown, which the guy on a streak kept changing for him. He ended up with about 5 black chips. And in about an 30 min after he had changed the last of the guys chips, they were mysterially gone from the table! Now, in this room all the omaha players were all pretty friendly with each other, and this guy seemed to be a regular and friends with everyone else, so I doubt they would mind. I guess what I'm asking is, should you call someone out on it? Even if everyone at the table gets along with the person? I wanted to say something, but didn't wanna get the scorn from him and create some sort of bad atmosphere at the table.

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As long as the guy still has a good amount in front of him, I don't see why it matters. In NL, this can give someone an unfair advantage. In limit, it doesn't matter at all.

[WMB]

In a limit game it rarely matters, and if you complain about it you come off as a big nit imo.

[Headhunter13]

I guess I'll take a different view and say it DOES matter ... even in Limit. I used to play in a place that allowed you take anything more than $500 off the table in a 10-20 limit game. Lots of donks would build up a stack and then keep cashing out everything over $500. Then, whenever they lost that $500, they left, ensuring themselves of a win of $XX.

OTOH, in casinos where it isn't allowed, I've seen players with >2k or 3k in front of them (10-20 limit) donk off the entire amount before leaving the table with nothing. If they were allowed to rathole, I'm sure they would have, and left with a profit (or lessened our profit .... depending on your POV).

--Headhunter