What I done got myself into?

[istewart]

I have been looking over this hand for like five minutes. I've come to the conclusion that it is well-played, despite being so ugly looking (lol).

If you're paying off a 3-bet, which vs. an unknown in a 12 BB pot, you probably need to do, you need to be 66% to win when he calls the river. I think this is probably the case, since your line will elicit a lot of suspicious calls with nonflush hands, and of course he pays off any flush.

The other options here are checkcall down, 3-bet turn, and call/bet river. I think checkcall down is in second place, but it's close. I don't really like the others.

FWIW, at the table I would probably default to calling down, but your play looks good.

[BryanC]

I think river is good theres no reason to put him on the ace, only question really is if we should bet/call or go for the check/raise, I mostly check raise this too but would be interested to hear what people think of bet/call?

Dont think we can even consider folding here in a BVB against an unknown opponent

[Nick C]

Instead of responding blind, I went ahead and read through what people had said.

And, well, NL must be messing with my limit instincts, because the river looks spewy to me.

And, having said that, I'll admit that the alternatives all have their drawbacks as well. Still, the best losing hand Villain can have is JhXx, and he is up against a PFR who could easily have the Kh or Ah. (However, I do recall coming to the conclusion when I was playing 3/6 and then 5/10 regularly that SB open-raises from unknowns are practically meaningless -- kind of a "welcome to the table, and I'm going to keep doing this, so get used to it" sort of thing.) Checking the river in theory shows less strength than donkbetting it would and also gives Villain a chance to bluff again if that's what he's doing, but we are still counting on Villain to bet any heart. Which is not a certainty, but I'm pretty sure I would like the checkraise if he couldn't 3-bet.

But he can.

And, of course, if istewart's 66% figure is precisely correct, then we shouldn't call the 3-bet, but that just seems insane to me in a blind battle. We're showing down, and we have no good way to see that the "correct" number of bets go in, so we do what we can. But I sure do hate seeing that 3-bet.

[mattnxtc]

I actually somewhat like it...I dont think I would ever have the guts to do this without a solid read on villain, but I wouldnt think villain would want to raise the turn with the ace often.

[inferno]

when reading the hand im thinking nooooo, how can he not have the Ah here after a river 3bet but I coudnt fold it anyway. Maiby a donk/call on the river would be better?

[Oink]

This is how I end up playing it and I always call the river 3-bet feeling dirty.

I can maybe remember 2 or 3 times where villain had a worse hand in similar spots.

How sure are you guys on the river call? I am not sure at all


I also wanna add that not raising the river is leaving money behind. Apanage, do people ever raise you in your games? As I remember 5/10 stars this guy can have quite a wide range as it plays fairly aggro - one hand I dont expect him to have is the nuts. People seem to always pop those on the flop.