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12-15-2006, 10:23 AM
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Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
I read the guidelines and hope I am posting this correctly. I am a craps and blackjack player that has been studying and playing poker for 1 year now since I can’t play my other advantage games at many casinos any more.
Full Tilt $69 + $6 MTT, 9 player table. I am at the final table with 8 players left. I am on the button with the short stack at the table with $48000 in chips; blinds are $6000 and $3000. Small blind has $100,000 and BB has $170,000. SB and BB have folded their blinds in the past. I am dealt KK and everyone folds to me. My decision is either to slow play with a small raise or going all in and to take down the blinds which I thought would happen if I went all in. I decide to slow play and raise 2X the BB. SB calls and BB folds. The flop is A with two clubs and one of my K’s is a club. I move all in as I don’t read that the SB had an A. SB calls and I am right he doesn’t have an A but has two clubs and beats me with a flush. Question, would you more knowledgeable players have slowed played or gone all in? Thanks for your impute and if I posted this wrong please let me know. Dominator 
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#2
12-15-2006, 11:11 AM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
I'd raise it to 3X preflop as it is my standard raise.
Flop - I'd make a c-bet of around 12-15K with intention to get all-in if SB shoves and to shove it in on the turn regardless of what it is if he flat-calls.
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#3
12-15-2006, 11:18 AM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
mornelth,
I think that raising to 18k with a 48k stack is pretty bad. I actually don't mind the minraise here. My reasoning is that you are shortstacked and picking up an extra 6k in chips means a lot to you. Also, if the villain hits a pair or a draw then you are likely going to double up. The problem with slowplaying with KK is that the ace seems to flop close to 99% of the time. If I am going to make this gamble with KK I am going to get my money in no matter what flops eventhough I might be drawing to 2 outs. A push is also perfectly fine.
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#4
12-15-2006, 11:26 AM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
[ QUOTE ]
mornelth, I think that raising to 18k with a 48k stack is pretty bad. I actually don't mind the minraise here. My reasoning is that you are shortstacked and picking up an extra 6k in chips means a lot to you. Also, if the villain hits a pair or a draw then you are likely going to double up. The problem with slowplaying with KK is that the ace seems to flop close to 99% of the time. If I am going to make this gamble with KK I am going to get my money in no matter what flops eventhough I might be drawing to 2 outs. A push is also perfectly fine. [/ QUOTE ] oops, reading comprehension FTW... I thought BB was 3K for some reason. Yes, with 6K in BB I will probably just push because I rarely do anything but shove under 10 BB's. I will also likely show my hand since I can use extra FE for my later pushes... Because if you survive the hand and later have to steal you do not want your opponent thinking "Well, he'll min-raise KK+ and push only weaker hands so my ATo looks good here to call his push..."
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#5
12-15-2006, 11:33 AM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
If you have been shoving alot just shove and hope to be called.
If you have been playing tight i think the minraise is fine. If you ever play a bit higher and you have been shoving the button alot just shove.
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#6
12-15-2006, 12:17 PM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
With an M of 5 or slightly above, I would get very suspicious if Button min-raised here. You are expected to push a wide range of hands, so why not push the monsters too?
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#7
12-15-2006, 12:21 PM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
I agree strongly with Rocco with one cavaet-- there are some tables where no one shoves and everyone raises instead-- if you are at that kind of table, go ahead and raise (unless of course you have been the only one shoving).
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#8
12-15-2006, 12:21 PM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
[ QUOTE ]
With an M of 5 or slightly above, I would get very suspicious if Button min-raised here. You are expected to push a wide range of hands, so why not push the monsters too? [/ QUOTE ] This is true. But you are also a good, thinking player and we can not assume that about the blinds. Also there are hands such as KQs that even a suspicious blind will call a minraise with that may fold to a pf push and have little chance of winning against our hand I am pushing this because I push a lot. In a big buy in tournament I would also be pushing this because we can assume that the villains will be good enough to be suspicious about our play. However, we can not make such assumptions about the villains thoughts on our hands.
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#9
12-15-2006, 12:21 PM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
With an M just over 5, I am shoving in this spot.
A question for the more experienced posters. If you shove and get no callers, is there value in showing the KK ?
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#10
12-15-2006, 12:22 PM
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Re: Slow playing KK at final table short stacked
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With an M just over 5, I am shoving in this spot. A question for the more experienced posters. If you shove and get no callers, is there value in showing the KK ? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. You should be shoving a lot of hands with an M so low and the next time you push you want it in the back of their minds that you could have KK.
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