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Old 06-30-2007, 03:40 PM
terencetsao terencetsao is offline
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Default do you guys see a fold anywhere?

button is 15/9/2 over 100 hands (solid)
BB is 64/5/0.9 over 50 hands.. (loose preflop)
I dont see how i can fold in any of the streets, can you guys see any?


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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (16BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 19BB
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

you are never good on this river.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

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you are never good on this river.

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Yea, but he's also not good on the turn.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:51 PM
terencetsao terencetsao is offline
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

so fold the turn, when im getting 12:1?
and fold the river, when im getting 16:1?

please clarify
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

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you are never good on this river.

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Yea, but he's also not good on the turn.

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oh yeah I missed the board pair here. We are toast--yes sir.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

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so fold the turn, when im getting 12:1?
and fold the river, when im getting 16:1?

please clarify

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the range of hands of when he 3-bets preflop &amp; flop is almost always big pairs.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

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so fold the turn, when im getting 12:1?
and fold the river, when im getting 16:1?

please clarify

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the range of hands of when he 3-bets preflop &amp; flop is almost always big pairs.

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yes i put him on that too.
but to be optimistically, i still have 3-5 odds, and plus the implied odds im getting. Is calling still wrong?
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

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so fold the turn, when im getting 12:1?
and fold the river, when im getting 16:1?

please clarify

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Button's flop 3-bet tells you that he most likely has an overpair, JJ-AA.

So, when the board pairs on the turn, you would not have outs to improve to a better 2 pair, than he probably has.

By the way, I would have bet the flop. You had top pair and might have had the best hand.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:06 PM
terencetsao terencetsao is offline
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

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so fold the turn, when im getting 12:1?
and fold the river, when im getting 16:1?

please clarify

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Button's flop 3-bet tells you that he most likely has an overpair, JJ-AA.

So, when the board pairs on the turn, you would not have outs to improve to a better 2 pair, than he probably has.

By the way, I would have bet the flop. You had top pair and might have had the best hand.

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i dont get it, why does board pair is so bad?
if i catch my A.. i beat KK below
if i catch my T.. i beat a lot of hand.
its still the samething isnt it?
and u say u would donk, why would u do if the button raise you?
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: do you guys see a fold anywhere?

You could bet the flop. You could 3-bet the flop. What made you check/coldcall? Scared of PFRR's range? Scared that the BB has T9?

If he can have AT the river call is whatever.
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