Small pot, good draw

[calidris]

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font>

Played ~50 hands against villains. UTG+2 plays 70% of his hands weakly, calls close to all flops unless raised. SB seems competent and hasn't gone out of line.

I know the pot is small and it's possible to fold but I got a 4-flush and a gutshot amounting to 12 outs and want to play. Call or raise? Pros and cons?

[BigBadBabar]

i'd raise right away. calling is fine also.

[Bona]

I think I call here. It would be nice to keep both villains in for when that 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] hits the turn. I don't think I would raise though because we are probably behind, a raise would probably put you HU, behind, and we aren't 55% favorites IMO.

[JJack]

Unraised PF, at flop can be autobet cus pot is small, we have strong draw so we can take initiative.

I would raise.

[BigBadBabar]

also if we raise, other guy probably folds right?
then we get free card on turn if we want. then if we hit on river he'll probably bet and we can raise.

i am leaning more toward raise now.

[Niediam]

Easy call. In general I think this is a call but with the other villian almost always calling all flops unless raise this becomes an easy decision.

If we were headsup I'd be much more in favor of raising (or perhaps waiting for the turn to raise).

If we do raise and its headsup on the turn I bet 100% of the time.

[Shillx]

Call. Shoulda made a pole

[Niediam]

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also if we raise, other guy probably folds right?
then we get free card on turn if we want. then if we hit on river he'll probably bet and we can raise.


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Do you really think that villian is going to lead the river when we take a free turn card and the river brings the flush/four to a straight?

[JJack]

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If we do raise and its headsup on the turn I bet 100% of the time.

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I have this in mind whan I talk about raise flop.
I dont like take free card HU when I still can win with semi-blef

but like I see many ppl say that call here is better (Im too begginer to give advice [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

What about if we would be first to act at this 3way flop? (instatnt bet with so strong draw/even if it would be only flush draw, am I right?)

[Niediam]

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If we do raise and its headsup on the turn I bet 100% of the time.

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I have this in mind whan I talk about raise flop.
I dont like take free card HU when I still can win with semi-blef

but like I see many ppl say that call here is better (Im too begginer to give advice [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

What about if we would be first to act at this 3way flop? (instatnt bet with so strong draw/even if it would be only flush draw, am I right?)

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In general I probably lead too many flops with draws but I can't imagine checking here...