22 and KJ UTG, shorthanded

[CASSHERN]

But, do you think you can collect as much money with a set of 2 oop than when in position ? I wish there was a way to see this in PT ...

[CASSHERN]

Well, in fact there is. You can't see whether the winning hand was a set or not, but ;

Instances (saw flop) || Won% || Won Qty || $$$ Total || $$ per hand won || $$ per all hand
SB 21 || 29% || 6.09 || $4.00 || $0.66 || $0.19
BB 26 || 38% || 9.88 || $8.00 || $0.81 || $0.31
UTG 11 || 18% || 1.98 || $6.00 || $3.03 || $0.55
MP 14 || 29% || 4.06 || $26.00 || $6.40 || $1.86
LP 22 || 27% || 5.94 || $24.00 || $4.04 || $1.09
Dealer 24 || 46% || 11.04 || $17.00 || $1.54 || $0.71


I wish there was an easy way to do it for PP 22-77 as I was only dealt 2-2 20 times or so per positions ...
It's not a lot of hands, but despit the winning % a roughly similar, I make much less money per hand oop ...

[Vincent]

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TNUC,

what possible awkward positions could raising 22 preflop get you in?

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Ignore him, he consistently gives bad advice. He's either a troll or an idiot.

OP:
What's Phil Gordon's idea of short-handed? B/c if he's talking about 5max, I think he's got to raise both but if he's saying 6max, then KJo depends on table texture. Either way though, I disagree about 22.

[Jamougha]

Raise 22, fold KJo and raise or fold KJs depending on how much of a nit you are.

[matrix]

UTG Raise 22 (raise any pp from any position 6max)

depending on the villains you are playing raise KJs - fold KJo, if in doubt fold both.

Generally speaking you'd not go far wrong if you are new to NL Poker if you raise 22-AA and AK UTG and fold *everything* else.

You ought to play tighter from UTG than any other position at the table - if you're confident you can outplay the opposition postflop (i.e. you are the best player at the table) then by all means play more hands from there.

If you get reraised preflop with any pp use the 5/10 rule to decide whether to call for set value (see FAQ) - tho roughly if you think you will win a pot that's at least 10x what you are calling when you hit the set call - if not fold.

[jhall23]

I voted Raise 22 fold KJ, though I will raise suited KJ a good amount of time.

Scanned some posts and most have hit on why.

One thing to note though is that I think Phil might be more used to play with smaller effective stacks like in tourneys and as the stacks get smaller you are playing more TP poker and it could switch it around the other way.

[CASSHERN]

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I disagree about 22.

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You're one of the first to advocate it's better to fold 22 UTG.
Could you explain why ?

[Vincent]

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I disagree about 22.

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You're one of the first to advocate it's better to fold 22 UTG.
Could you explain why ?

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Maybe I wasn't clear. I disagree with PG, I don't disagree with the majority.

[SavageMiser]

Raise 22, do what you feel is right with KJ. Depends.

22 is easy to play, usually. Someone reraises PF, muck. No biggie. You raise to build the pot in case you do hit.

[c_strong]

For the record I usually raise 22, sometimes limp depending on table conditions. I usually fold KJ suited or unsuited, sometimes raise either depending on table conditions.

The one thing that surprises me about this thread is how many people fold KJo but raise KJs. (Obviously you should raise it if you play it; it's the playing it at all that surprises me.)

Being suited adds a fairly tiny amount of equity to a hand (3-4% I think). IMO, the main advantage of being suited is in semibluffing (as Albert mentioned) BUT playing draws and semibluffing is so much easier in position. Here you're pretty likely to be OOP in the hand. Apart from great but unusual flops like Jo Xs Xs, does KJs really outperform KJo by so much that it's a raise rather than a fold? I'd be interested in people's thoughts.