Dun wanna miss a value bet on the river, with top T pair, mid kicker

[shadow.]

wtf at calling 2 cold on flop?

[maverickai]

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I have top pair, mid kicker, and these guys' are range too wide to fold my hand to such a big pot. I didn't re-raise, cos pot's big, and it won't protect my hand. I won't wanna fold top pair mid kicker in such a big pot, against loose passives.

Anyway, pot's laying me 19.4:2, and I figure I've 4-5 outs.

I'm thinking I might be slightly ahead here, but not much pot equity, thus decided to call and see the turn. If the turn is a rag, I intend to call to SD.

So that's my answer to your question.

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He's getting at least 10:1 with top pair and a backdoor draw. That's an easy peel even if he knew for sure that he was behind.

[kerowo]

Chasing 3 outers at 10:1 isn't a good long term strategy for making money.

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If you want to tell me that it's overly optimistic to count this hand a 7-outer, that's cool. But let's not go to the other extreme and pretend like it's just a 3-outer either.

[maverickai]

Yup, I figure 4-5 outs would be good.

1.5 outs for T
1.5 outs for J
1.5 out for back door flush draw

So maybe ~9:1 pot odds

[ckj]

Don't forget the backdoor straight draw which is worth like .5-1 outs.

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Meh. The games haven't gotten so rocky that you have to push these tiny edges. The bet and raise is good indication that if you aren't drawing dead you have kicker problems and are drawing to two pair or runner runner. Calling 2 with a hand this weak without really good reads is -EV.