Chris Vaughn BluffMag multiaccounting

[Mondogarage]

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I say no its not ok, again live at WSOP - can anyone finish for you if you get such a dreaded call or if you're skint? There's a big lobby to make tourney poker a sport, is there ANY other sport where you could call up someone else to finish a game for you cause yer skint or Mum's dying? No, if your lucks out it's out - you can't introduce degrees of correctness like that as it becomes impossible to police - if it's not on, that's it, everyone knows it, break the rule and risk a life ban imo.

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Live poker and Online Poker are 2 different things. imo

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Why should the ethics be any different? Just because technology makes something possible, doesn't make it ethical. Why should someone be allowed to take your place at FT of an online tourney, when that would never be allowed live?

[apefish]

Stars at least has had it laid out rather clearly for some time now.


With trivial exceptions, a player may play on only one account during a tournament and may not "hand off" his seat in mid-event to a different player. Violation of this rule may result in penalties ranging from a warning, to disqualification from the tournament (with partial or full forfeiture of winnings), to barring from PokerStars.

Examples:
You get a phone call during a PokerStars tournament. You ask your husband, who has already busted out of that tournament, to play your hands for you. You are on the phone for ten minutes and then resume play. This is permitted.
You and a friend are playing in the same tournament. You agree that if he busts out before you do, he will take over playing your account. This is prohibited.
You are playing in a tournament and lose power in your home due to a failure of your power station. You call a friend and he takes over until your power is returned. This is permitted.
Your husband is out of town for the weekend, but gives you his password. You log into both his account and yours and play both accounts in the same tournament. This is prohibited.
You have progressed to the final few tables of a tournament and somebody offers you cash equity for your seat. You allow the other player to sign into your account, or you continue to finish the tournament following the explicit instructions given by him. This is prohibited.

[DMBFan4Ever]

They would never know about the last part ..I'm sure people do the phone [censored] all the time..Even the top online guys

[apefish]

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They would never know about the last part ..I'm sure people do the phone [censored] all the time..Even the top online guys

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People who do stuff like this often aren't smart enough to not run their mouths about it.
I'm sure it happens all the time. I have no reason to think it won't continue.
That doesn't mean it shouldn't be a big deal when it gets caught and we shouldn't try to root it out.

There are some amazingly misguided thoughts by some very good players in those P5s threads, as well as some very good posts by others.

[doc43]

If you are playing a WSOP event or any B/M tourney and you get word that your mother had a heart attack, you have the following choices:

1. Keep playing.

2. Get up and forfeit your chips.

3. Get up and risk being blinded out.

4. Have a friend call 911 to get Mom to a hospital.

Leaving the game and asking Chan, Furguson, or anyone else to take the seat is not an option. Only the dregs of society would try to insert Tiger Woods into the final round of a local club golf tournament or A-rod for the final game of the college baseball championship.

How about this: " Dr. Einstein, I'm taking my physics final, but I have to go to the bathroom. Would you mind sitting down and continue the test while I step out for a few minutes?"

It is so sad that some people who play our game don't seem to understand or care about the concept of "one player, one seat, one hand" and that anything else constitutes cheating.

Such people should be ashamed, but I know that they are not. Much of it stems from pure greed and the pervasive attitude that begins in high school that cheating is OK if you don't get caught. Up to 60% of high school students have admitted to cheating in school at least once, which means the figure is probably much higher. Luckily for the rest of us, these folks end up as losers in the long term--losers at poker and losers at life.

[melissah]

..."Live poker and Online Poker are 2 different things. imo"

and they are different how?

or. rather. if youre playing online its ok to have another person play the tournament for you? perhaps finish the tournament for you?

if youre playing a live tournament its not ok to have someone play for you because you would be barred from the tourney, lose you buy in, and, never be able to return to that casino again?

you mean different like that?
-melissa

[Bonified]

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Only the dregs of society would try to insert Tiger Woods into the final round of a local club golf tournament or A-rod for the final game of the college baseball championship.


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When I was a kid there was a rinky-dink local amateru cricket tournament, the final of which took place over 4 separate evenings (one innings per evening). Come the final, one team is going "who's that big Indian guy, never seen him before". Turned out the opposition had pulled in Kapil Dev (certainly one of the best 20 players in the world at that time) as a ringer.

Quite rightly, the team without the ringer simply didn't turn up for the final innings.

[A_PLUS]

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dude,join a game right this moment, there are tons of fish, always will be, there is a never ending supply of addicted, terrible players...maybe you're just writing this to make urself feel better bc you suck....the reason i dont know a lotta rec. players now is bc i grad college....i guaruntee every college is full of kids learning bout online poker

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Wait, so your making the arguement that poker hasn't been less profitable for the average player over the past year? So lets say I suck, if I made money before, and don't now, wouldn't that just prove my point? (which is online poker is getting becoming less and less of cash cow for average players).

Let's say I have never gotten any better at poker.
-When I joined 2+2, I could have made a very nice living multi-tabling party SNGs.
-A year later, I could have made a very nice living playing 6max MSNL playing 20-30 hours a week
-Last year, I made enough to live on (I didn't live on it), playing a few MTTs after work and the occasional weekend.

So, tell me how many of those things I could do now, if my skills stayed the same?

Is poker profitable for good players, yes
Has it becoming less and less profitable over time, yes
will that continue, I see no reason why it is going to change.

[I_AM_EVIL]

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..."Live poker and Online Poker are 2 different things. imo"

and they are different how?

or. rather. if youre playing online its ok to have another person play the tournament for you? perhaps finish the tournament for you?

if youre playing a live tournament its not ok to have someone play for you because you would be barred from the tourney, lose you buy in, and, never be able to return to that casino again?

you mean different like that?
-melissa

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First let me say that I don't condone cheating. I think cheaters are scum and should be tortured. I HATE CHEATERS!!!

1. In live poker there's a 1 person to a hand rule. Online there isn't. 2 or more people could be sitting in the same room making the decisions for 1 acct that's in a tourney. 2 people could be talking on a phone, using an IM, using 2way/direct connect radios while 1 of them is playing.

2. Online, people use computer programs to help them make their decisions. I have never seen anyone playing in a casino use Poker Tracker, PAHUD or any other computer program to help them make a decision on a hand.

There are many other differences but these are 2 that come to mind right now.

[doc43]

Poker is meant to be played one person, one hand. The rule is implied, even if many choose not to follow it.

Those activities you describe are NOT part of poker and constitute cheating--especially when the opponents are unaware that it is going on. People who engage in such activities do not respect the game and should not be considered true poker players.