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I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
This was inspired by tomdemaine's post.
I would happily do god's bidding if he showed me he was in fact god via a miracle or two, and gave me some good things to do to help the world. Or even just to spread the word, since you know, he's really real, and people ought to know about it. And since apparently not believing also sends you to hell for eternity, it would seem pretty pressing to me to convert people I love. Although, I would ask him "WTF is with hell" if he's such a nice guy, there's not much I can do about it, so I'd just go on preaching. I would not, however, commit any immoral acts which did not have something good come from them in the material world. I would kill a guy if god showed me that he was about to kill some other people and the only way to stop him was by killing him. But I wouldn't kill him just on god's word that he was bad. If he is bad, surely he will try to do bad things, and I can be in position to witness his attempt and stop it, thus both showing proof of his badness and also killing him. There would be no reason for me to act prior to this, unless god had been showing me this for some time and I had built up trust in his decisions AND it was clear that the time wasted by waiting would allow for another crime to be committed. Similarly, I would not commit any immoral acts even if good would come from them. I of course define my morality solely on how much good comes from my actions, so that is a bit of a useless explanation. Well, let's have a few examples to clarify what I mean, since I suck at communicating. First, let's say god tells me that the new Jesus will be born if I rape some woman who would not otherwise have sex with me. I would absolutely not do that, under any circumstances. Similarly, I would not kill my child as a testament of my faith. God asking either of those would be deplorable and I would not hesitate to tell him so and implore him to set a better example for his creation. Do you all think this is wrong, evil, or sinful? |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
For you it probably makes sense, but it all hinges on your definitions of evil, sinful, bad, good, immoral, deplorable which like the rest of us' views are probably fairly debatable. For example in your example: Ff you refuse to rape a woman to allow for a messiah to be born, then you are putting your own moral view and her fate above the rest of humanity's potential for eternal salvation - sounds like a very selfish act to me. Isn't it ok for 2 people to suffer so the rest can be saved - surely it would in no way put the world 'worse off' than it is today? Moral debate is never easy. |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
I used that exact example on purpose to make the point that if it rested on humanity's salvation, god could and SHOULD do it the way he did before, or at least in some other non-violent way. He's GOD after all, right? So he should be able to find another way. And it's very wrong of him to force two people to hurt themselves when there's another way and he knows it.
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
Im pretty sure God's morals are more important than your "morals"
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
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Im pretty sure God's morals are more important than your "morals" [/ QUOTE ] Please show me the proof that a God, should it exist, is benevolent or interested in the greater good. I can't think of a single reason they would be. If you look at the Christian bible, that's overwhelmingly not the case. Also, the foundation of free will (and the very idea that humans can be free agents) rest on the notion that justice, morality and in a broader sense, structure, exist independently of God, and that we can come to valid insights on our own. |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
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Im pretty sure God's morals are more important than your "morals" [/ QUOTE ] I know cause might makes right amirite? |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
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[ QUOTE ] Im pretty sure God's morals are more important than your "morals" [/ QUOTE ] I know cause might makes right amirite? [/ QUOTE ] Good insight! Let's fight in the night out of spite for the blight by the site where the kite hit the light. |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
By most definitions of God it is imposible for God to do wrong. God invented the concept of right and wrong and gave it to humans.
Now if we are talking about some sort of "weak" god who didnt invent the universe and everything in it (including morality) then maybe you have a case |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
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By most definitions of God it is imposible for God to do wrong. God invented the concept of right and wrong and gave it to humans. [/ QUOTE ] This is a fallacious argument. There is no reason to believe that a creator is more moral than his creations. Even if God created a moral context, he can still be evaluated within that context (think of it like this - if I design an IQ test, does that mean I have the highest IQ in the world?). Finally, there is nothing to indicate that God's moral standard is superior to any independent moral standard created and used by humans. |
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Re: I would NOT do God\'s will if he were immoral
Finally, there is nothing to indicate that God's moral standard is superior to any independent moral standard created and used by humans.
Yes there is, if God by definition cant be wrong then if he says his way is better then it is |
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