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#1
08-25-2007, 07:37 PM
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Dealer Ruling
Here is the situation: It is 3/6 limit... (very loose and weak play) I'm in the BB with Q7o. Some players limp in and then a short-stacked player goes all in but not for a complete raise. Since they only had $7 left I only have to put in one more dollar. So I do that with my mediocre hand and then the player under the gun raises to 6. He missed his chance to raise and since the bet was not completed to 6 i didnt think he should be allowed to raise. I said this and the dealer ruled he was allowed to raise. Is this correct in some, all or no casinos? Should I have asked the floor person to clarify it?
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#2
08-25-2007, 07:43 PM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
I'm assuming you mean the shortstack went all in for $4 not $7.
An all-in bet t4 here would not consitute a raise since it is less than 50% of a the legal bet. The UTG player should not have been given the opportunity to raise. (and a valid raise would not have been to $6 anyway)
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#3
08-25-2007, 09:23 PM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
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An all-in bet t4 here would not consitute a raise since it is less than 50% of a the legal bet. The UTG player should not have been given the opportunity to raise. (and a valid raise would not have been to $6 anyway) [/ QUOTE ] Agree that less than a full raise for all-in does not re-open betting for anybody who had called the full bet before the all-in. If the bet truly was 7 and UTG had only called 3 so far, then UTG could raise. Hoowever, psandman's requirements for what re-opens betting and what the next bet would be does not hold true for all rooms. In ours, even if it's all-in for 2/3 of the bet it doesn't re-open. If betting is still live, the next person can only complete up to the next full bet, not raise a full bet on top of the all-in. These requirements vary by room, so you should clarify with the floor.
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#5
08-25-2007, 09:48 PM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
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[ QUOTE ] An all-in bet t4 here would not consitute a raise since it is less than 50% of a the legal bet. The UTG player should not have been given the opportunity to raise. (and a valid raise would not have been to $6 anyway) [/ QUOTE ] Agree that less than a full raise for all-in does not re-open betting for anybody who had called the full bet before the all-in. If the bet truly was 7 and UTG had only called 3 so far, then UTG could raise. Hoowever, psandman's requirements for what re-opens betting and what the next bet would be does not hold true for all rooms. In ours, even if it's all-in for 2/3 of the bet it doesn't re-open. If betting is still live, the next person can only complete up to the next full bet, not raise a full bet on top of the all-in. These requirements vary by room, so you should clarify with the floor. [/ QUOTE ] This was a limit game. Half or more of a raise constitutes a full bet and thus re-opens the betting to players that have acted. Only is this rule used in most no limit games ( should be all) but several rooms are using limit rules for no limit games. Less than half of a full raise gives the next player the option to call or complete the bet only.
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#6
08-25-2007, 10:09 PM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
The rules I reference in our room is for limit as well. Unless it's a full bet, it doesn't re-open, regardless of percentage. The next live player can fold, call, or complete.
Your mileage may vary.
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#7
08-26-2007, 12:40 AM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
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The rules I reference in our room is for limit as well. Unless it's a full bet, it doesn't re-open, regardless of percentage. The next live player can fold, call, or complete. Your mileage may vary. [/ QUOTE ] I know a few places in California that do this.
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#8
08-26-2007, 12:41 AM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
Yes sorry, he must of gone all in for $4.
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#9
08-27-2007, 10:24 AM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
Dealer:
1. Moron 2. Good dealer, brain fart 3. Good dealer, enforcing dumb house rule Related, 3/6 LHE, everybody limps (including me), SB goes all in for $4. BB tries to raise to raise to $6. Dealer: No Me: Yes, you cannot negate BB's normal right to raise. Dealer: Ooops. $3 more everybody.
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#10
08-27-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: Dealer Ruling
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[ QUOTE ] In ours, even if it's all-in for 2/3 of the bet it doesn't re-open. [/ QUOTE ] Even in a limit game? [/ QUOTE ] Tulalip (WA) does this for their limit games (even though it's an incorrect rule, imho). q/q
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