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Old 12-01-2007, 03:05 AM
plzbenice plzbenice is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

against only the draws u have very good equity though:

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AdQs6s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AsJsJc8c 73.10% 435,614 5,956
KsJTs*,KsJT9s,KsJT8s,KJTs9s,KJTs8s 26.90% 158,430 5,956
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:07 AM
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Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AdQs6s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AsJsJc8c 32.55% 195,292 0
AQKsTs 67.45% 404,708 0
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

is there an omaha stove?
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

yes. twodimes.net is one. try using google to find the right one for you.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:57 PM
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twodimes is a simulator not a stove.

try http://www.propokertools.com/

u can write QQ**,66** for all QQxx and 66xx hands etc.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

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twodimes is a simulator not a stove.

try http://www.propokertools.com/

u can write QQ**,66** for all QQxx and 66xx hands etc.

[/ QUOTE ]

I knew it wasnt a stove, but I wanted the guy to go find it himself. It is annoying when people post question in the forum that are basic to answer with google.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

That stove range isn't very good at all. Basically, if villain plays KJxx and KTxx with spades even occasionally here, it changes the equities dramatically as we have a huge edge over those hands and there represented much more heavily among villain's possible hands than KJT hands are. Also, we're missing some basic KJT hands like KKJT and KJTT.

With the range listed, villain has a made hand probably > 90% of the time whereas IRL, I'd expect it to be somewhere between 50% and 70%.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

like i said u cant write in every possible combo since u run out of space.


make your own range instead then and post it.
now i took away AAxx because we have an A and took away 66 as well, hell prob play most QQxx but just very good 66xx(like doublepairs or 3straights)
so its QQ and a lot of draws, even some weaker ones.




Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AdQs6s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AsJsJc8c 46.15% 276,118 1,544
QQ**,KsJTs*,KsJT9s,KJTs8s,KJTs9s,AKsQTs,KJT* 53.85% 322,338 1,544
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

chaning the KJTx without spades for 66xx changs things considerably though:

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AdQs6s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AsJsJc8c 36.15% 216,609 525
QQ**,KsJTs*,KsJT9s,KJTs8s,KJTs9s,AKsQTs,66** 63.85% 382,866 525
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 NFD deep vs scary c/r

If we all agree that a call's bad, a shove and a fold are breakeven at 41.6% equity. Considering the range with 46% equity looks more correct than the range with 36% equity and we do get a fold at least occasionally, I think a shove's the play, but it's close enough that I couldn't fault a fold too much.
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