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Old 09-08-2007, 01:54 AM
siv siv is offline
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Default 25NL deepstack push line check


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $27.45
Hero (BB): $65.00
UTG: $60.65
BTN: $41.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.00</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $5.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $64.00</font>

Pot Size: $71.35
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Old 09-08-2007, 02:07 AM
5thAve 5thAve is offline
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

what stats have u got on villain?

against unknown:
fold/raise preflop, call is bad OOP

flop push isnt great IMO
opponent is folding the worst hand or calling with a better hand.
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Old 09-08-2007, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

24/18/2 over 70

i'm aware the preflop call wasn't great, just wondering about the push itself. If I just call, aren't I going to be facing a turn bet that I can't call UI?
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Old 09-08-2007, 02:33 AM
Falconsbane Falconsbane is offline
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

I'm never flat calling in the BB here pre-flop. In fact i'm folding almost every time here unless he's taking too many liberties with my BB, then I re-raise to ~$3.50 pre-flop.

Why are you going all-in with bottom pair/crappy flush draw? I'd let it go after he came over the top on the flop the way this played out.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:40 AM
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

Fold PF, or maybe even raise, all the complications come from calling that crap on the BB.
I also do not love the flop push, its just too much of an overbet, and smells kind of strange, in his position I probably would be calling KQ+ but calling is kind of weak, so Im not really sure.
Id say the best play is to raise and make it 15 or so, and then shove any river. That would scream a lot more strength IMO. If he shoves first we would have to call.
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:12 AM
YesMehFriend YesMehFriend is offline
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

I fold pf and go for a c/r on the flop (and if I bet out I bet full pot on this flop).
The bet/allin line is ok I think like 44% equity against a range of JJ+, 77, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo. But I'd prefer just calling since his raise indicates you don't have too much fe (you don't know if he'd fold TP2K ...).
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:17 AM
C4LL4W4Y C4LL4W4Y is offline
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

meh pf isn't horrendous as long as it isn't a habit. as far as the push, i'd love it like 100x more if you had 100bb effective stacks instead of nearly 170.
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:18 AM
C4LL4W4Y C4LL4W4Y is offline
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

too lazy to edit the last post but...you guys see that this isn't 50nl and they're deep, right?

pf is fine
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Old 09-08-2007, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

If you play well the flop then the preflop call is ok.
But if you call in this situation (PF) you should know what to do on the flop given the fact that you called his raise preflop.
I will go with the c/r line. The raise should be big, to have good FE if he really has a hand that will fold to a raise. Say 5 his raise is good. If he shoves i will call because I have enough pot odds. If he just calls then he is a little bit scared so fire the turn no matter what card comes. I would expect a fold here from the villain.
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Old 09-08-2007, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: 25NL deepstack push line check

would he fold a hand like AQ or overpair cause i doubt at this level that this would happen, but if you think he is good enough to lay down just a pair here it aint that bad a move
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