Why one should FPS as a villager

[Stephen H]

1) Cover for the seer is not the #1 priority for villagers. It's at best #3. Finding wolves and Convincing other villagers that you're village are 1 and 2, not necessarily in that order.

2) "FPS" or false claims as a power role are completely different situations than when done as a plain villager. You want to have a thread on how to play angel/other non-seer power village, go for it. It's not the same as plain villager moves.

[LuckayLuck]

** EXTREMELY RECENT EXAMPLE **

If Eskimo had FPS'd there and known that blowing up the traitor was not the best move, it would have been brilliant

He would have outed the Jester. Everyone would praise his brilliance

[His Boy Elroy]

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I like to FPS the grocery store.

12 items or less? [censored] you, I have 13 items! Well, it depends how you count two six packs and a bottle of lotion.
Buy one get one free? No thanks! I'll pay for both.
I like to open the bread, grab some peanut butter and rock a sando right there in aisle 5 and then repeatedly try to run the crust through the self-scanner.
I ask the stock ladies if they have any mayo, "If you know what I mean ^^"
At the deli, I always ask to have my meat sliced horizontally.
Fruit is a wonderland. Bring your own scale to weigh it. Poke it with medieval medical instruments. Juggle some melons. Perform Freudian therapy on the pineapples. Shave the kiwi. Have contests with other shoppers as to who can fit more grapes in their mouth.


You can probably see why I don't play WW any more...

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so much

[Stephen H]

It would be better if this discussion had no references to ongoing games at all.

[lastchance]

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1) Cover for the seer is not the #1 priority for villagers. It's at best #3. Finding wolves and Convincing other villagers that you're village are 1 and 2, not necessarily in that order.

2) "FPS" or false claims as a power role are completely different situations than when done as a plain villager. You want to have a thread on how to play angel/other non-seer power village, go for it. It's not the same as plain villager moves.

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I love doing #2, yes. I know false claims as a power role are things that should be done in 1/20 games, at most (this is probably an accurate number).

Also, IMHO, in order from most valuable to least valuable is:
1. Finding wolves. (and villagers, though obviously wolves are more valuable)
2. Faking seer.
3. Convincing other villagers that you're a villager.

Why? Because there's no real way to do 3, and if you (or look like you) care about 3, then you're going to look wolfy (counter-productive, I know). If you do 1 and 2 (and especially 1) you're going to do 3 well. Of course, if you're a villager, try your best not to get lynched, but I mean, that's like the extent of it.

Seeking to do 3 will not actually accomplish 3, whereas seeking to do 1 and 2 will accomplish 1 and 2 (even if you have to subtle about 2).

[lastchance]

Note: For the purposes of this conversation, I define FPS as anything which deliberately messes with wolf night-kills.

[CPFB]

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FPS as a power villager =/= FPS as a villager

VILLAGER DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO FPS EFFECTIVELY

Power villagers occasionally do. Such as peeking a power role that you can claim, while letting that person know that you've peeked them. It's rare, but could never work as a villager.

If bram isn't able to effectively convey to KM that he's the seer & peeked her, she counterclaims, and he gets lynched the next day.

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I would argue that "faking" or "FPS-ing" only as a power villager really isn't "fancy." It's exploitable.

Zurvan, if you only claim a village power role when you're a power villager, but you've actually got a different role than you claim, it doesn't help your team win. You're confusing the village by claiming something that you're not and you're helping the wolves (because they know you'll only claim any power role if you happen to be a power villager).

I guess it's good if you *know* that there's someone more valuable to protect from night kills of the wolves.

This is kinda rambly, but I'd appreciate feedback. (Does any of this make sense?) I may just need to have my head examined. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

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** EXTREMELY RECENT EXAMPLE **

If Eskimo had FPS'd there and known that blowing up the traitor was not the best move, it would have been brilliant

He would have outed the Jester. Everyone would praise his brilliance

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i did see the opening. chose not to take it.

all a man has in life is his balls and his word. and i dont break neither for nobody!

[lastchance]

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Zurvan, if you only claim a village power role when you're a power villager, but you've actually got a different role than you claim, it doesn't help your team win. You're confusing the village by claiming something that you're not and you're helping the wolves (because they know you'll only claim any power role if you happen to be a power villager).

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Mixing up roles is extremely effective at times. It's not blantantly -EV, and in the cases where wolves need to know who's what, it's obviously extremely effective. Obviously, it's not effective in other points.

[CPFB]

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Also, IMHO, in order from most valuable to least valuable is:
1. Finding wolves. (and villagers, though obviously wolves are more valuable)
2. Faking seer.
3. Convincing other villagers that you're a villager.


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How can faking seer possibly be your second highest priority?

Due respect, but somebody with your metagame is not believable when you claim seer, even when you really are the seer. They only believe you when you're dead. This may get you an extra peek when you're actually the seer, but it's just confusing to the village.

I agree that finding wolves should be your number one priority. Protecting the seer is secondary imo. "Clearing yourself" should not be on the forefront of your mind (but you addressed that already).

I just don't understand why faking seer is so important.