the "you win" rule

[SNOWBALL]

Have you guys ever used this rule or seen it used?
The rule is:
If it is HU on the river, and one player says "you win" after all action has been completed, the other player can just muck his hand and take the pot with no showdown.

What is the purpose of this rule, other than putting me in a situation where someone will try to stab me in the parking lot?

[HOWMANY]

to prevent slowrolling supposedly

pretty sure the real purpose behind the rule is to get people to get into retarded conversations at the table about what exact words one can say to get around the rule or angle-reangle each other

[RR]

The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

[SNOWBALL]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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will the floor generally try to retrieve the cards from the muck to have a proper showdown?

[RR]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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will the floor generally try to retrieve the cards from the muck to have a proper showdown?

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Yes, if the cards are retrievable th ebest hand wins. Note: your milage may vary because modern cardrooms are known for having floorstaff that gets a rule half right.

[AngusThermopyle]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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And creates another angle where a player mucks a probable loser when he hears anything approximating "you win".

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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And creates another angle where a player mucks a probable loser when he hears anything approximating "you win".

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Cliff Notes follow after my usual blather.

That and the influx of multiple languages being spoken in LA (meaning verbal declarations are often misunderstood) was a reason it was taken out of the 1997 update to the rulebook shared by the big LA County clubs.

But many of the old time floor staff and management still tended to like the "You Win" rule so over time it started sneaking back in "the rules"; usually via the poker manager via memo or an entry into the floor staff logbook.

IMO it tends to create more problems then it solves, at least here in LA. Recently I saw a sign near the podium of Hawaiian Gardens top section that said"The "You Win" rule no longer applies. Cards Speak." I didn't realize it did apply and would never use it either way (as a player).

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Cliff Notes: Don't count on such a rule existing or consistent or practical enforcement.

~ Rick

[mikeca]

I saw a situation a few months ago where a guy threw his cards up in the air and said something like “it’s yours, I don’t have anything”. The other player in the pot, a woman on the opposite side of the dealer mucked her hand thinking she had won. She could not see the action clearly around the dealer and thought the other player had folded without calling her river bet, but he had actually called and then tossed his cards up in the air. His cards had landed face up on top of the board, so the floor ruled he had not mucked his hand. The woman had mucked her hand without showing it. The floor said cards speak and only the man showed his cards so he won the pot.

The woman was mad and thought this was some kind of angle. She and another woman proceeded to give the guy a hard time and he left a few hands later, which is too bad because he was a real loose calling stallion, although he was close to busting out anyway.

[ChadK]

More Cliff notes: just hold on to your **** cards untill the pot is pushed to you and you have no problems, pretty simple.

[DeuceKicker]

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over time it started sneaking back in "the rules"; usually via the poker manager via memo or an entry into the floor staff logbook.

[/ QUOTE ]What goes into the floor staff logbook? Surely not all rulings made during a shift. Who reviews the logbook, and for what purpose?