Check raised on the turn

[Absolution]

This guy is 40/20/2. He seems solid:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero...

[knockonwood]

easy fold against an unknown.

[rzk]

he can have KJ of course but there are so many hands you are losing to. add in the rio and i'm folding.

[Realyn]

i also fold after _betting_ and getting raised.

however, if i know that he will do this with draws sometimes, i check the turn 100% of the time. Yeah you give freecards and that sucks, but imho:

EV from checking and give freecards &gt; EV from betting and folding to a raise.

6 bb is huge, i want to see a showdown here. Also there is not much value in betting the turn. there are not many worse pairs that will call, obvious draws will.

[rzk]

in a 6BB pot giving a free card to a 10 outer is _very_ expensive.

[milesdyson]

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in a 6BB pot giving a free card to a 10 outer is _very_ expensive.

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can you make basic assumptions and show some math to prove this statement?

[rzk]

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in a 6BB pot giving a free card to a 10 outer is _very_ expensive.

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can you make basic assumptions and show some math to prove this statement?

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i didn't think i was making a controversial statement [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
a 10 outer comes in roughly 1/5. so his equity share in the pot is 1.2BB. if you bet and he calls, his equity share in the new pot is 8/5 = 1.4 BB, but that includes 1BB of the extra money he had to put in, so by charging him to draw you reduce the equity share from 1.2BB to 0.4BB, i.e. giving him a free card costs roughtly .8BB

[ThxBearl]

Fold.

I would bet the turn too.

Prob has KQ or AQ.

[vmacosta]

what the heck is going on in this thread! Obviously if you knew your oppponent had a draw you would bet and it's not close. sheesh!

If you don't know what to do when raised then hopefully that means it's close which means he's only bluffing ~ 1/5 of the times he c/r's. So if he c/r's like 1/5 of the time then you lose 1/25th of the pot when he c/r's which is about .45 bb after you factor in the 2 outs you give up.

*Highly* doubt he has
-a worse hand
-that would have correctly folded turn
-that misses the river
-AND bluffs

enough to make up the other .35 bb.

I guessed on most of the numbers in this post cuz I knew it wouldn't be close.

[mattnxtc]

This is an awful bluff card for the villain after the strength you have shown in this hand...If he pulled a bluff more power to him...but at these limits...its better to just fold and move on. Most at these low levels cant pull off all these marginal bluffs.