1/2 - KK, ace on board.

[Aaron W.]

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Flop: 10.5:1 is a big pot, but villain showed aggression preflop, and is now betting into a pf 3-bettor and another player. If he's bluffing he's picked a really bad spot. You have two somewhat dirty K outs and a BDFD -- worth a total of about 3 outs total if you are behind, not enough to call.

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Why are the K outs "somewhat dirty"?

[CrMenace]

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Why are the K outs "somewhat dirty"?

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Becaused I messed up and thought the flop hand the Q and the turn the 9; thus GSSD potential.

[CrMenace]

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I think you can fold after getting popped on the flop. Only reason to call down is to suspect you're bluffed. But then you won't fold the river.

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Once popped on the flop you're getting 15.5:1 -- I think this is odds enough to see the turn.

[OziBattler]

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Why do you fold the river? Were you hoping to hit your two-outer?

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he called the turn because he turned a nutflush draw

[KitCloudkicker]

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Flop: 10.5:1 is a big pot, but villain showed aggression preflop, and is now betting into a pf 3-bettor and another player. If he's bluffing he's picked a really bad spot. You have two somewhat dirty K outs and a BDFD -- worth a total of about 3 outs total if you are behind, not enough to call.

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Why are the K outs "somewhat dirty"?

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cuz villain has AA and forgot to cap LDO

btw: OP, i wouldnt raise the flop.

[Guitierez]

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Once popped on the flop you're getting 15.5:1 -- I think this is odds enough to see the turn.


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I'm really not sure about that. Implied odds are not much higher because there's only one opponent left. You have 3 outs to improve, maybe a little more because the BDFD is to teh nutz. So this second call is really thin. Don't forget hero created the odds by raising, before it was 10.5:1. Once you hit the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] the things change dramatically to your favor. But still, I fold to the 3bet.

[Montrealcorp]

is a semi bluff need to be absolutely correct in the odds to be correct or it might be right even if its off by 1 bet for the call on the 3bet flop???

[CrMenace]

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I'm really not sure about that. Implied odds are not much higher because there's only one opponent left. You have 3 outs to improve, maybe a little more because the BDFD is to teh nutz. So this second call is really thin. Don't forget hero created the odds by raising, before it was 10.5:1. Once you hit the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] the things change dramatically to your favor. But still, I fold to the 3bet.

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I'm not relying on implied odds. Once the flop is 3-bet, you have odds to call, even if you are only counting 3 outs. It does not matter that you made a mistake to get to this point -- it is now a straight value bet.

[Guitierez]

You admit that he didn't have the odds to call the first bet with a 3-outer. Then he raised and gets 3banged. Now he suddenly calls correctly?

Altogether hero paid 3 SB to get his 3-out ticket for the turn in a 15.5 SB pot. This is a 5.17:1 call, very unprofitable.

[Shillx]

Fold the flop. Save micros