Really Tough Spot in FTP 30rebuy

[Roothlus]

I know that this isn't technically a high stakes tourney but whatever, I need some high stakes assistance. Okay, so I've been pretty aggressive and running pretty well at this table. I've raised a ton but whenever I got looked up I always had the goods.

The raiser has not minraised once and has been playing a game leaning on the side of solid. He hasn't shown down any hands postflop yet so I haven't been able to figure out what his thought process yet. P.S. Sorry for not putting this in your 2+2 format or whatever.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4234194715: $16,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (31559838), Table 5 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:41:49 ET - 2007/11/19
Seat 1: krazylouie (13,192)
Seat 2: perscription (29,686)
Seat 3: NLChronic (9,905)
Seat 4: MoormanI (16,079)
Seat 5: allinstevie (15,373)
Seat 6: pdloan com (58,416)
Seat 7: Roothlus (47,470)
Seat 8: 8balldeluxe (8,994)
krazylouie antes 100
perscription antes 100
NLChronic antes 100
MoormanI antes 100
allinstevie antes 100
pdloan com antes 100
Roothlus antes 100
8balldeluxe antes 100
NLChronic posts the small blind of 400
MoormanI posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Roothlus [Qc Kc]
allinstevie folds
pdloan com raises to 1,600
Roothlus calls 1,600
8balldeluxe folds
krazylouie folds
perscription folds
NLChronic folds
MoormanI calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2d Th]
MoormanI checks
pdloan com bets 6,000
Roothlus calls 6,000
MoormanI has 15 seconds left to act
MoormanI folds
*** TURN *** [Kd 2d Th] [Qd]
pdloan com checks
Roothlus has 15 seconds left to act
Roothlus ????

[Bakes]

hey rooth. i would definitely bet here and call a check raise, there are semibluffs in his range and he can have QJ KT etc, easily anything w the minraise.

post more plz

[timex]

Like 18k in the pot and you are 40 deep, I think that like betting 12 and calling a shove is probably pretty standard, I think hes generally potting the flop with a range weighted more towards made hands that he feels are vulnerable, I doubt he has AJ here very often, and I think he will be check shoving well behind quite frequently if you bet.

[Ansky]

bet/call shove.

What about this situation do you think is tough?

[KneeCo]

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bet/call shove.

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Yupper.

Edit: didn't realize it was a min raise, ignore.

[ZBTHorton]

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bet/call shove.



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[trimp]

I think pdloan overvalued his hand. AA, AK are very often in his range, I don't think he leads this much into two players with a set. I don't give him credit for being able to bet this large with AJd or QQ on the flop.

Move this thread to the bad beat forum [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
or
Sorry you made a bad fold when he reraised you all-in.

[shaundeeb]

too many high diamonds are on the board and his PF/flop sizes don't indicate to me hands that would make flushes on this board. Also I prob fold the flop with someone left to act who is short compared to that bet.

The PFminR is planning on calling the blinds shove who he either has you crushed or a lot of outs. So just fold the flop you can't play this as profitably as you think because if he checks to you on blank turns you going to be playing pot control and checking behind thus giving his draws free cards as well. So there are sooo few good outcomes from calling this flop that I just fold it and prob fold it PF if I'm agraid I'll get squeezed with soo many people left to act who are either shoving or folding.

[Roothlus]

i will post more here. p5s just isnt cutting it for strategy these days.

so im just supposed to stack off here if i bet and he shoves? you really think an unknown player is going to check/shove 34k in on a draw when I've already shown a good amount of strength? However, if I'm playing against one of you guys I'm stacking off all day.

why is checking out of the question here? it stops me from stacking off to any flush/any set and I can actually get some value out of top pair and whatnot if its a clean river. I know I'm checking here with black Aces almost everytime and I'm pretty sure he's betting the turn with a lesser two pair, not check-raising.

It's been a long day so sorry if my thoughts are a bit jumbled. Also, fwiw I asked 2 legit cash game players and they both check the turn.

P.S. gl at the 100r ft Bakes.

[Ansky]

who are said legit cash game players?