commerce 10/20 complete [censored] retardness as usual

[billyjex]

great commerce 10/20 game though i am losing money as usual because the poker boom is dead and bad tags like myself are going bust

thats beyond the point

i have 1500 to start the hand (dont bug me about buying in short i am broke)

some dude straddles utg, he gets a call, i am on the hijack and make it 200 w/ 88

guy next to me quickly calls. i think he has a good hand usually here, although he i considedr him bad he seems to think he is good thus he will respect my raise here a little bit. who the [censored] really knows though. i have been tight when putting in a big raise preflop.

megamegadonk coldcalls on button. should be noted CO might call me lighter here knowing MMD will call. one blind calls and straddler calls for a sweet $1k pot preflop.

3d2d2x flop. i don't have 8 diamond. checked to me.

pretty much everyone else involved in hand covers me and have IQ's lower than 90. pots are rarely reraised preflop.

what it do msnl?

[Triumph36]

Wow - this is a brutal spot.

Any bet seems to pot commit you, if you get called or raised your hand is probably no good, there's a ton of money sitting out there waiting for you, and everyone in the hand is a downie.

How about making a huge underbet? Like betting 250 or something - then seeing how players to your right act, either in order to fold or call a c/r shove, depending on reads. If you get called on your left then someone c/r shoves you can be pretty sure a fold is best.

Open shoving sounds terrible too but really, you don't have much choice but to call a shove, and you don't want to leave yourself in a spot on the turn where your opponents will have a hard time making a mistake (i.e. you bet 750, opponent calls - now you have 550 left and the pot is 2500).

I'd consider suicide. Every option here seems terrible.

A thought - since there is a straddle, you have to consider you're playing a 20/40 as a semi-short-stack, and you have to be looking to only play pre-flop and flop poker. To that end, your raise PF should probably be bigger.

[Melchiades]

With your stack size, straddler and caller and MMD yet to act wouldn't it be better to just call preflop?

[jsnipes28]

Ya, considering your stack I think that you should have thought more about what your raise was going to do. I would have prefered just calling the straddle or jacking it up bigger.

Is the MMD supper passive or would he bet if checked to a lot on the flop. If that was possible, I suppose c/r him and also allowing yourself to see the others act would be ok, but at the same time you cant risk giving a free card.

I am kinda leaning towards an openshove and hope to get looked up by a flush draw. This spot really does suck though bc ppl def dont rr pf w/ 99+ so it would v easy to run into TT here i think.

[billyjex]

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Ya, considering your stack I think that you should have thought more about what your raise was going to do. I would have prefered just calling the straddle or jacking it up bigger.

Is the MMD supper passive or would he bet if checked to a lot on the flop. If that was possible, I suppose c/r him and also allowing yourself to see the others act would be ok, but at the same time you cant risk giving a free card.

I am kinda leaning towards an openshove and hope to get looked up by a flush draw. This spot really does suck though bc ppl def dont rr pf w/ 99+ so it would v easy to run into TT here i think.

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honestly didnt expect such a multiway pot preflop

while MMD will call $200 alot he will still fold to such a raise w/ no money invested 50% of the time

CO really [censored] up the situation by calling (which he did almost instantly)

by doing that, mmd will call 90%, and other people will follow suit

i raise 88 because i have been very tight, somewhat bored, and sick of playing all my hands passively preflop and missing every flop

also by raising i am hoping to get relatively heads up w/ MMD if he does call

also, playing 35 hands an hour and being completely card dead against the gold medal winners of the special olympics, 88 begins to look like AA

basically what i'm saying here is the situation that developed was far from ideal. i expected at most a 3-way pot w/ MMD and someone else that was OOP relative to me (perhaps just hte straddle caller, who folded.)

calling here preflop is entirely reasonable, and playing for set value in a large multiway pot is very profitable. however i felt hopefully i could pick up some money w/o a hand (or w/ simply a pair of eights vs MMD who can pay off my stack w/ much worse.)

the game was a little nutty, but i figured the tight dude w/ a small stack making it $200 preflop for the first time in hours would get some respect. :/

[jsnipes28]

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the game was a little nutty, but i figured the tight dude w/ a small stack making it $200 preflop for the first time in hours would get some respect. :/


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just means they all are calling to crack ur rawketz [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

openshove and see if they call w/ flush drizzles

[Triumph36]

in this case, it sounds like a check/fold is best then - you're never good here if CO calls your open shove (which sounds like the best option), and people have noticed you are tight.

Or check, hope it checks around, and hope the turn blanks, and hope everyone folds to your turn bet. I dunno.

[billyjex]

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the game was a little nutty, but i figured the tight dude w/ a small stack making it $200 preflop for the first time in hours would get some respect. :/


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just means they all are calling to crack ur rawketz [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

openshove and see if they call w/ flush drizzles

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i feel most of those in this pot would call w/ a flush draw, espeically if it was a big one

while most in this pot will recognize my line as a big pair, they will call with something like a flush draw based on the fact they have outs and theres alot of money in the pot

also MMD will call a shove w/ 44, maybe even A2

shove get called by 77 and win

[billyjex]

also i'd like to point out, that while i am calling these people complete retards, most of them have some sense of hand reading since a few of these people seem to be semi-regulars and put in some hands, however they come to the casino to straight up gamble (pot odds be damned!)

MMD does not apply and likely has down syndrome