Complaint about Israel thread

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Its a new thread because I don't like it when threads are hijacked by arguments about moderation. I edited your OP to note that you did not start this thread.

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Original thread in question for posterity: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs

[zasterguava]

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OP is an absolute disgrace. The fact that a) thread hasn't been deleted b) OP's blatant racism and ignorance not met with all-round disdain speaks wanders for the morality and stupidity of the 'politics' crowd.

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Typical PC BS attempting to silence unpopular views. Felix has made it clear he isn't talking about all Moslems here, but only a subset of same, and how Israel should deal with them. And he's focusing that on their *actions* which aren't an inherent part of racial identity. Get a [censored] grip.

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WTF? If he was criticizing Muslims (specifically extremist Muslims) and calling for the abolition of Islam I would by no means oppose him. Note your ignorance in claiming that all Arabs are Muslims or at least failing to see a distinction. I think of all insults, assuming that ALL Arabs subscribe to the abhorrent religion of Islam, is the most vicious and vile.

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Wait. So your objection is that he has made denigrating comments about Arab culture? Culture is a set of communally recognized and approved *actions*, and again isn't an inherent racial quality.

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No, I just think if you want to avoid coming across as a vile racist genocidal extremist maniac you should make doubly sure that you elaborate more on your stance if it at least clumsily comes across as calling for the apocalypse against the Arab people and a complete disregard for humanity and truth .

And yes; arguments against the culture of Arabs in [i] that [i/] context (promoting the bombing of Arabs supposedly on political grounds) has very strong racial undertones to say the least and of course dispels the claim that is indeed based soley on political grounds.

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Since you acknowledge that culture is a collection of actions and not an inherent racial quality, why does the context in which that culture is discussed/critcized matter? I.E. what does it matter what some action a person would advocate if an analysis is true?

And don't you think you have some obligation to avoid hyperbole by basically insinuating that advocating an attack on a certain group of people *on the basis of their actions rather than their race* is in fact the same as a racial attack?

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meh, OP first calls for a war against the arabs, then later in THAT context is critical of their culture which he regards as inferior. This is a standard racist position that should be considered as being a fringe extremist view as it poses a clear distinction with the more acceptable view that Isreal may legitimately use force against the Arab states in regards to a political position. Otherwise the word fascism rings a bell.

anyway, its 10am and I havnt slept yet and have work today so goodnight perhaps I'm overly groggy.

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zaster,

The actual important point in context is the actions of those Arabs which is what Felix is using as a justification for certain actions against them, i.e. their extremist/terrorist actions. If you remove such actions, i.e. the Palestinians were not backing and participating in terrorism, and instead were peaceably going about their business, *then* you might have a valid argument of racism if he still sought to justify an attack on them solely in view of their culture.