double barrell this JJ? Did I wimp out on river.

HotPockets · #1 10-18-2007, 07:58 PM

Villains running at 90/20/.58 and 71/0/.15 respectively.

I feel like I played this extremely weak. Is this a double barrel on turn? As played, is 12-1 enough to call river bet. Both villains are so passive that once villain comes alive when board pairs I just don't think i'm ahead enough to justify it. Anyway, please have at it, and I look forward to the responses.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (10 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (10 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

knockonwood · #2 10-18-2007, 08:08 PM

was the 90/20/.58 the SB or BB?

HotPockets · #3 10-18-2007, 08:22 PM

SB was 90/20

OziBattler · #4 10-18-2007, 08:30 PM

value bet the turn. these guys will call with way way way less than an ace. as played I call the river because I doubt BB has much and I dont fold in big pots for one bet when a 90/20 bets the river and i have a hand that has SD value. if you are going to play a hand in a way that induces a bluff then fundamentally you should call when they bet the next street.

his aggro is only 0.6 but he plays alot of hands so SB isnt as passive as you think. I played a guy like this the other night and it soon became clear to be that he was perfectly capable of bluff raising scare cards. oh and the other guy doesnt have a 10.

Grease · #5 10-18-2007, 08:31 PM

Bet the turn. Fold if raised.

I might call the river. They're both uber, uber loose, and the pot is very large. Yeah, overcalling sucks, but so do they.

knockonwood · #6 10-18-2007, 10:42 PM

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value bet the turn. these guys will call with way way way less than an ace. as played I call the river because I doubt BB has much and I dont fold in big pots for one bet when a 90/20 bets the river and i have a hand that has SD value. if you are going to play a hand in a way that induces a bluff then fundamentally you should call when they bet the next street.

his aggro is only 0.6 but he plays alot of hands so SB isnt as passive as you think. I played a guy like this the other night and it soon became clear to be that he was perfectly capable of bluff raising scare cards. oh and the other guy doesnt have a 10.

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To be honest, I have a lot a trouble against these players. Playing live they are quite common. BB obv doesnt have the T as he would have raised the river. Your going to see an A here a fair portion of the time, but with the unpredictability of these guys, a call is in order getting 12-1.

maverickai · #7 10-18-2007, 11:22 PM

grunching...

SB seems to be scared of the A too, as reflected on the flop he just called. He's so aggro preflop, he could be re-raising with a wide range of broadways and mid pairs.

I doubt anyone is holding a set here, as you dun encounter any raises on the flop, and no bets on the turn.

Range I have for:
SB (90/20/.58) JQ+, 77+
BB (71/0/.15) low to mid pair, and Ax.

You could have bet on turn, to fold hands like JT+, or if they dun fold, you get a free showdown cos of your turn bet.