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Old 11-05-2007, 10:05 PM
OSUGreg1983 OSUGreg1983 is offline
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Default 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

For Hand 1, I raised the flop b/c thats pretty standard in this situation. Test if he's cbetting and I have equity if my straight hits. We both checked the turn and he checked the river, which leads me to believe he's either on AK/AQ or an under pair. I have already done an excellent job of representing AJ/KJ on the flop and then checking the turn b/c the 10 may scare me. Villain is solid TAG(20/19/2.0 over 107 sample size). Is the river push excessive or a reasonable play given my read?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $27.50
SB: $27
BB: $25
UTG: $52.45
CO: $25

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.60</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.50</font>, UTG calls $3.90

Turn: ($13.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($13.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $21 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $21

Results: $55.35 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Tens) and LOST (-$27.50 NET)
UTG showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (four of a kind, Jacks) and WON $53.35 (+$25.85 NET)


Hand 2

Reasonable continuation bet even though I'm OOP. Flop is very dry and I can represent a King assuming others miss this 3 outer.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $25
BB: $21.65
UTG: $27.65
MP: $76.05
CO: $13.05
BTN: $24.65

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1</font>, CO calls $1, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, BB folds, MP calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($13.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $40.10</font>, 2 folds

Results: $31.75 Pot ($1.55 Rake)
MP mucked and WON $30.20 (+$16.70 NET)

Hand 3

Player recently sat down short stacked only $10.35 so no read/stats on him.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $25
BTN: $6.65
SB: $26.40
BB: $10.35
UTG: $15.10
MP: $40.95

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $10</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BB calls $0.35 and is All-In

Flop: ($20.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($20.80) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($20.80) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $20.80 Pot ($1 Rake)
Hero mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$10.35 NET)
BB showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Deuces) and WON $19.80 (+$9.45 NET)

Hand 4

Here's the last hand in the series. PERFECT example of how to top off a terrible running session which only lasted 45 minutes. I could not continue to play after this hand and losing 3 buyins overall.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $25
UTG: $12.90
MP: $26.65
CO: $11.85
BTN: $6.65
SB: $35.95

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.10</font>, BTN calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.85</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.70</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.55</font>, BTN calls $1.85 and is All-In

Turn: ($13.40) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($13.40) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $13.40 Pot ($0.65 Rake)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Tens) and LOST (-$6.65 NET)
BTN showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Queens) and WON $12.75 (+$6.10 NET)
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:07 PM
ShipitFMA ShipitFMA is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

yes
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

a 3 buyin swing is really not that uncommon.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:47 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

I'm TAG running 16/8 over 11k hands working on increasing my pfr. From what I've seen it's extremely rare for a solid TAG player to run like this. Does anyone have suggestions on my specific plays other than just saying yes I am a donkey?

Keep in mind my frustration b/c the first two hands were b2b and the others were within 4 or 5 hands of each other. A real confidence killer.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Shattered Shattered is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

Hand 1 river is god-awful. You're already beating underpairs, Ts and Js are calling, and a half pot bet is more than enough to take out AQ/AK; you're risking 4 times as much as you need to, easily.

Everything else is standard and really isn't that bad. I started off today's 2-hour session with a 4 BI dumping spree but still ended up 2 BI.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:53 PM
OSUGreg1983 OSUGreg1983 is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

I was indecisive on what to river bet on Hand 1. I thought about making a 1/2 to full size pot bet to push out Ace high, but the little man in the back of my head said this person may feel 2pr on the board with Ace high is good. I obv got extremely unlucky that he checked quads into me on the river. If he bet out I would happily have folded and saved an additional 20 bucks.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

Check down hand 1, you would have only lost 20bbs there

Hands 2-4 were played fine, and I calculated u lost only 168bb among those 3.

Besides hand 1, this belongs in BBV

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Old 11-05-2007, 11:04 PM
Kasane Kasane is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

Hand 1 is pure donkey. You're ahead of so much that there's no need to bet there (pp's got counterfeited, 89/Q9 you're ahead of). Every other bit of his range is probably calling, ie AJ/AT -- and the hugely unlikely whatever.

What A gets to that point on the river from the flop? AQ?? A5? fine, let 'im take it if that's the way it goes.

The others look fine. I see swings like this on an hourly basis. There's nothing, zip, nada, weird about it.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

Hand 1 is stupid, his turn check indicates that he's filled up. Just check behind on the river.

Hand 2: looks standard.
Hand 3: when he min raises you to 10 dollars, you've got to put him on KK or AA.
Hand 4: this is fine.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:01 AM
OSUGreg1983 OSUGreg1983 is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: 4 hands in 30 minutes...never run this bad.....am i donkey?

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Hand 1 is stupid, his turn check indicates that he's filled up. Just check behind on the river.

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I would agree, except he checked the turn AND river. He's getting absolutely no value out of his hand if he's got a boat or better. Further, why would he expect me to bet the river if I checked the turn? You can't put someone on a pp quads. I put him on AK and that was the read i stuck with. IMO the only way I can win the pot is if I bet the river an amount he cant call with ace high. I made a stupid bet I admit, but I still do think at least a 3/4 pot size bet is required. He played it horribly if i check behind the river, but you cant tell me he plays the flop and turn any differently with AK.
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