87s at NL25: My straight is far from the nuts

[Nick C]

SB is 30/4/1.6 after 71. I didn't have anything beyond that, partly because I had been busy watching two other guys who had recently left the table.

MP1 was new to the table and I had no read on him at all.

On the turn, I wasn't really sure what to do, but I raised with the idea that I wasn't going to put much more money in after that.

But then on the river I started having doubts and wondered if I should reconsider my plan.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($22.74)
MP1 ($23.75)
MP2 ($23.50)
MP3 ($21.95)
CO ($30.85)
Hero ($25.15)
SB ($26.35)
BB ($25.75)
UTG ($16.39)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($1.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls $1, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB calls $3, MP1 calls $3.

River: ($13.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $12</font>, MP1 calls $12 . . .

Now what?

Other ideas for the turn?

[HitNRunPoster]

I think you can fold the river and that the turn was fine.

My experience is 1000 hands of NL $25 full ring and maybe 4 posts out of hte stickies. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[gimmetheloot]

I wouldnt fault you for a call or a fold TBH. Id fault you less for a fold.

[Sotiria]

I think this is a fold.

[bhudson]

The turn raise is bad IMHO. Calling down isn't bad - your straight doesn't need any protection from a K really, but I don't even mind a fold here with 2 in the hand.

[holdme]

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I wouldnt fault you for a call or a fold TBH. Id fault you less for a fold.

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agreed.

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The turn raise is bad IMHO. Calling down isn't bad - your straight doesn't need any protection from a K really, but I don't even mind a fold here with 2 in the hand.

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On the turn?

[bhudson]

On the turn, yes. From the flop action, nobody is likely to have an A. SB is passive, yet he is betting into *4* players on the turn. Sure, since nobody showed any strength on the flop, he doesn't necessarily have it here, which makes the case for a call, but it certainly takes away any equity we need for a raise. MP1 could have picked up a draw, but he needs to be an idiot to make the call with two to act behind him. Again, not to say he isn't given the stakes, but...

[Nick C]

My thinking when SB bet the river went something like this: "Could he have just made trips? I guess it's possible. Maybe I should call. What's MP1 doing calling, though? Can I really overcall here? I mean, MP1 could have a better straight that he decided to trap with when SB led the turn. Or maybe he wasn't trapping so much as he was scared of the flush, especially after I raised. His call does mean I'm getting about 3:1, though."

So I was about to hit "call," but then I reminded myself that my turn raise represented at least the hand I had, and yet SB was practically potting the river anyway. I thought, "Eh, he just boated up (with, say, JT) and wants to get paid."

So I ended up folding, and I waited for verification that I made the right decision at showdown.

Unfortunately for me, what I saw instead was the pot going to SB's K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

For his part, MP1 had J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Oh well. I wondered afterwards if my fold was a mistake, and I'm glad to hear it was reasonable. I did also wonder afterwards if SB was intentionally bluffing or not, but I don't know the answer to that.

[kslghost]

.... Uh... I think this is a call ALL DAY closing the action.

[gimmetheloot]

Really? You're a station [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Hand ranges for them please sir?