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#11
11-20-2007, 10:51 PM
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Re: $200 Stars - 88 in BB
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If you are not betting this flop from the BTN when checked to then I highly recommend that you 3bet it PF to avoid such situations. [/ QUOTE ] were not on the button.. and what hand are you talking about 3 betting. i think you have the pfr and calls out of order.... [censored] me i just reread the hand and i thought pfr was the one leading out on the flop from the button. totally missed that hte pfr checked here. totally changes the situation. id probably raise the flop here as well. now lets say pfr is button and still 4 handed, do you lean more towards letting go here or do you still like the same play. if button is pfr 4 handed i prefer a fold 
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#12
11-21-2007, 12:32 AM
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Re: $200 Stars - 88 in BB
vs this guy call and re-eval on the turn.
The only thing that concerns me is that I don't know if that 7 agg factor comes from firing a lot of double barrels cause we're in an unhappy place and can end up folding the best hand a lot if he bombs just about any turn...
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#14
11-21-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: $200 Stars - 88 in BB
Sure this hand could be squeezed but I tried to avoid turning this hand into a PF discussion. It stifles the conversation.
Also, with a tight BTN calling, you probably aren't getting him to lay down since his hand is most likely legit, ie. AJ+,66+ so now you will be playing a big pot OOP with 88 and a flop that contains atleast one overcard some 70%(?) of the time.
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#16
11-21-2007, 07:49 PM
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Re: $200 Stars - 88 in BB
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Sure this hand could be squeezed but I tried to avoid turning this hand into a PF discussion. It stifles the conversation. Also, with a tight BTN calling, you probably aren't getting him to lay down since his hand is most likely legit, ie. AJ+,66+ so now you will be playing a big pot OOP with 88 and a flop that contains atleast one overcard some 70%(?) of the time. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, but with 4 to the flop and this board....u may as well open fold.... Definitely fold now... I always called in spots like this, but upon speaking with my coach and my last sweat session I have now started being much more aggressive and am picking up pots like this pf and it helps create an image that you can use when you have AA/AK/QQ/JJ etc... And you have a lot more info as to where you stand... And two other factors... Button isn't that tight...he called with position and its only 100 hands...
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#19
11-21-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: $200 Stars - 88 in BB
I call, with the intention of c/f'ing further streets. With an AF of 7, I'm happy to peel once. I don't see him firing two barrels with anything you beat against this many opponents, so c/f turn/river unless you improve.
Also i squeeze PF here ocassionally if the conditions are right, sucks playing this hand OOP.
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#20
11-21-2007, 10:00 PM
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Re: $200 Stars - 88 in BB
folding here is not an option and raising is a bluff so i think you have to call here and re eval on the turn
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