Flop Decision - Omaha H/L

[green100b]

Hand 1 :You are on the button in a 5 handed game with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]-Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]-J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]-10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Open with a raise. Called by SB and BB. Flop comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB leads and BB calls. What is your move?

Hand 2
Same holdings but flop comes.

2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]King [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Same action to you. What's your move?

ASSUME IN BOTH - Opponents are typical players. not loose and crazy.

[jlocdog]

Hand 1 I call.

Hand 2 I call.

In both spots closing the action on the cheapstreet with 8sb's in the pot should make a call a no brainer. Put yourself in the BB and now it steers more toward a fold I feel (obviously the second one moreso then the first).

[BlueBear]

Calling is automatic.

[green100b]

I understand why it looks at first blush to be an auto-call. But....I don't believe in auto-anything.
H
ow many hearts that hit really win you anything more than half the pot? You have 3 of the high hearts. What do you think SB and BB have?

[RobNottsUk]

I thought the typical players were pretty loose!

Presumably you're raising on the button because,

Either /
a) They may fold
b) If you don't, one of them will

It looks a little to them, that you probably have a counter-feited Lo, so raising the flop probably won't have much fold equity on turn (or even gain you a Free card), and you only have 1 clean out to scoop plus b'door str8 draw. You have 1 out to counterfeiting A3, the 3h.

Raising looks bad, calling even worse, so fold in both spots. Even if the SB likes to probe bet flops, you don't have the right kind of hand to sort'em on this board.

[green100b]

Interesting thoughts. Don't i have 2 guaranteed scoop outs. K or 10 of hearts?